From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 27 11:45:19 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F22DABA3 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2012 11:45:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3cd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7340B8FC08 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2012 11:45:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.black-earth.co.uk (seedling.black-earth.co.uk [81.2.117.99]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.6/8.14.5) with ESMTP id qBRBjFJe083887 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2012 11:45:15 GMT (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.7.3 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk qBRBjFJe083887 Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk/qBRBjFJe083887; dkim=none reason="no signature"; dkim-adsp=none (insecure policy) Message-ID: <50DC34C4.9080307@FreeBSD.org> Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2012 11:45:08 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Question: /usr/sbin/pkg vs /usr/local/sbin/pkg in 9.1 References: <20121227104451.6fc6bfed@suse3> <50DC1CC5.30402@FreeBSD.org> <50DC245A.7020002@gmail.com> <50DC252C.205@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <50DC252C.205@FreeBSD.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.6 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigCB3EF86E887AA713DE416D88" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.6 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,SPF_SOFTFAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2012 11:45:20 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigCB3EF86E887AA713DE416D88 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 27/12/2012 10:38, Dimitry Andric wrote: > On 2012-12-27 11:35, David Demelier wrote: >> On 27/12/2012 11:02, Matthew Seaman wrote: >>> pkgng is not in base and there are no plans to import it. If you are= >>> going to use pkgng then you need to install it, either from ports or = by >>> using the /usr/sbin/pkg shim to install from a pkgng package. >> Why there is no plan to import it? > Because pkgng is developed independently from the base system. As soon= > as you put a copy of it in base, it is no longer independent. :-) Which somewhat begs the question as to why pkgng is developed independently of the base system. That is for entirely pragmatic reasons: there are rules about what you can change in the lifetime of a FreeBSD major or minor release. Which for a project of the scope of pkgng would basically mean taking many years to develop and adopt it. This is one of the sticking points that has effectively stymied development of pkg_tools over the years. By keeping pkgng out of the base we get: * Exactly the same version of pkgng for all current versions of FreeBSD -- which is important, as it means port maintainers can generally rely on solving problems one time for all versions. * The ability to develop pkgng at as rapid a pace as we can maintain. -- there is still a large amount of new functionality yet to be introduced, particularly the dependency solver, which will be quite revolutionary when it comes in. * Related to the above, we have been able to arbitrarily declare that the libpkg.so API will not be stabilized until pkg-2.0 is released. -- again, purely pragmatic and to enable as rapid development as possible. Despite this, we anticipate that there are changes to pkgng and pkgng-related changes to the ports which we won't be able to introduce until around April 2014 and the EoL of 8.3-RELEASE, which will be the las= t pre-pkgng release to go and hence the earliest date at which pkg_tools support can be entirely ceased. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey --------------enigCB3EF86E887AA713DE416D88 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.16 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with undefined - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlDcNMsACgkQ8Mjk52CukIxJbQCeO6kZ9q07k687w3AEGaiU2E7l tGgAnRC/iZ5EBf934RHkFaJF/xbB+Sfq =EII0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigCB3EF86E887AA713DE416D88--