From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 27 23:59:07 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A215516A4CE for ; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 23:59:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pd4mo3so.prod.shaw.ca (shawidc-mo1.cg.shawcable.net [24.71.223.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 591B743D3F for ; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 23:59:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from flowers@nekulturny.org) Received: from pd5mr1so.prod.shaw.ca (pd5mr1so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.232]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0I4Q00E6H58ZG490@l-daemon> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 17:58:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml8so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.152]) by pd5mr1so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0I4Q006BH58ZT990@pd5mr1so.prod.shaw.ca> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 17:58:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from procyon.nekulturny.org (S0106000c41b2b9a3.cg.shawcable.net [68.144.91.127]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0I4Q0082J58ZYU@l-daemon> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 17:58:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from procyon.nekulturny.org (localhost.nekulturny.org [127.0.0.1]) i8RNwBfT001935; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 17:58:11 -0600 (MDT envelope-from flowers@nekulturny.org) Received: (from flowers@localhost) by procyon.nekulturny.org (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i8RNwAR3001934; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 17:58:10 -0600 (MDT envelope-from flowers) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 17:58:09 -0600 From: Danny MacMillan In-reply-to: <20040927153815.12a7ed24.wmoran@potentialtech.com> To: Bill Moran Message-id: <20040927235809.GB977@procyon.nekulturny.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline References: <493F1EDF-0FE0-11D9-A586-000D9333E43C@secure-computing.net> <20040926143211.02d40949.wmoran@potentialtech.com> <4157A0F9.6010007@zonnet.nl> <20040927090142.1719d106.wmoran@potentialtech.com> <20040927153815.12a7ed24.wmoran@potentialtech.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i cc: Nico Meijer cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Backup Mail Server Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 23:59:07 -0000 On Mon, Sep 27, 2004 at 01:38:15PM -0600, Bill Moran wrote: > > > > When I have a choice of punishing idiots or smart people, I punish > idiots. This is excellent. It should be on a bumper sticker or something. > > > Look at the vehicle situation. If people would force stupid drivers > to wise up, instead of trying to cover up their stupidity with airbags, > we'd have a lot less deaths due to vehicle accidents. Another bumper sticker: "Airbags: The Backup Mail Exchangers of the Automobile Industry" You could probably add a couple of {fnord}s in there for good measure. > > > Others would rather just have their doctor prescribe something when thier > shitty diet makes them sick. Then I have to pay the elevated health > insurance costs ... now they want to turn the US into a socialized > medicin country, so every citizen is _forced_ to pay for all the people > who don't take care of themselves. Speaking as a citizen of a country that has socialized medicine (Canada), I can say that the expense probably does not nearly approach what you think. I compared notes with an American friend just the other day. She pays in a month what I pay in a year. I think our health care is subdisized by our income tax (we pay much more than you Americans as I understand it) but even that probably doesn't make up the difference. That having been said, I do agree with your point as it relates to user education, simply because by adopting a policy of misinforming users you are committing yourself to maintaining a more and more elaborate structure of, essentially, lies. Reductio ad absurdum &c. Better to let them know off the bat what the limitations are. Example: Users already have a completely unjustified perception of email as being a reliable and immediate transmission medium, which it clearly is not. Since users are the ones who will have to bear the cost when reality pays them a wake-up call, it serves everyone to disabuse them of this notion as quickly as possible. Gently if you have to, rudely if you can. :) > > > -- > Bill Moran > Potential Technologies > http://www.potentialtech.com -- Danny