From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jun 16 17:38: 1 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from riker.skynet.be (riker.skynet.be [195.238.3.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84FA537B401 for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2001 17:37:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brad.knowles@skynet.be) Received: from [194.78.241.123] ([194.78.241.123]) by riker.skynet.be (8.11.2/8.11.2/Skynet-OUT-2.11) with ESMTP id f5H0bk603909 for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2001 02:37:46 +0200 (MET DST) (envelope-from ) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: bs663385@pop.skynet.be Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20010616200918.8987.qmail@web13602.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20010616200918.8987.qmail@web13602.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 02:37:43 +0200 To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: Brad Knowles Subject: Re: [Apple]RE: Mundie, Perens, GPL, BSD etc again Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 1:09 PM -0700 6/16/01, Bzdik BSD wrote: > Are you still living in 2000? Well, if you've got any more numbers, and sources for them, I would like to see them. I quoted the only numbers I knew of, and to make sure that everyone knew I didn't make them up, I quoted my source. This is the sort of thing that is done by people who wish to have an honorable and responsible discussion or debate on a topic. > When I told you about tax write-offs > that are in effect since late XX century, you 'explain' to me what > _should_ happen. No, I explained the situation as it exists. You're free to compare the prices you see on eBay for two year old hardware to the current prices for new hardware, and see for yourself. > Any PR VP learned about a year ago to > exctract 'dot-com' and 'analyst' out of any promo schpiel, Apple hasn't > done this with iMac and it's Apple's problem. I'm sorry, I don't recall any "dot-com" or "analyst" phrases in their "promo schpiel". Could you be so kind as to point out some? Myself, I seem to remember things like "Think Different" and "Rip. Mix. Burn." > Do you use iMac? Are you > 12 y. o.? the fucking baby boomers with their farsightedness can't see > anything on the poor quality screens. Actually, no. I am 35 years old, and the screens that Apple uses are Sony Trinitrons, which are renowned throughout the market for particular clarity and accuracy. Indeed, all major prepress shops I know of use Trinitron screens with expensive color calibrators (such as the $3,499 Barco Personal Calibrator V, or the LaCie $1,099 electron22blue with the $499 "blue eye" calibrator), or sometimes they buy third-party calibrators (such as the $399 OptiCal or $224 PhotoCal). Of course, Apple can't afford to include something like this in their iMac bundle, but they do have the revolutionary color calibration software ColorSync. Indeed, before Apple introduced ColorSync, there simply wasn't any way you could ensure that what you saw on screen was what you would get when you printed the document or when you took it to a service bureau, at least not on personal computers. Color calibration wasn't introduced to the PC until many years later, and even now it still doesn't begin to approach the universal support and other capabilities of ColorSync on the Macintosh. Over the years they've done a pretty good job of being able to profile how a Trinitron screen changes over time, and can generally do a pretty good job of compensating for those shifts even without an external calibrator. If you want to talk about LCD displays, until very recently there wasn't any way you could attach any kind of calibrator to an LCD. However, GretagMacbeth recently came out with a $200 harness you can use with their $3,750 Spectrolino spectrophotometer (and their $3,500 ProfileMaker software) to characterize the performance of an LCD. Of course, the tests I know of that have been run have clearly shown that LCDs are simply not up to par with even standard CRTs, much less the expensive professional-grade Trinitron-based calibrated displays. If you have any first-hand knowledge of CRTs (or other displays) that are more preferred by print graphics professionals than Trinitrons, and can provide references to source material to substantiate your claims, I really would love to learn about them. I've been interested in computer graphics, video displays, print media and the tools they use to produce their products, etc... for many, many years (at least two decades), and I always enjoy learning more about the subject. For myself, I own a PowerBook G3 "Pismo" laptop (the generation before the PowerBook G4 and the original iBook), and find that this machine and the 14-inch LCD screen does just fine as a primary machine for me, even though I do have poor eyesight (indeed, I've worn glasses since 6th grade), but then again I am not a graphics professional and color calibration is not something I particularly need in my job. Oh, and you may find that ad-hominem attacks are a pretty good way to totally undermine your own arguments, and instead strengthen the position of the people you are denigrating. > So many techies are clueless when it comes to finances, and god saw > it's good. they have no clue what financial classes are, what > correlation with R/R is, etc. I don't pretend that I am an expert on finances, but I have heard about things like "dollar cost averaging", and when a company comes out with a laptop that is one of the fastest available *AND* one of the least expensive on the market, I have a pretty good idea where money is best spent. > keep repeating after Stevie, other repeat after JFC, Shiva, Buddha and > Vadimchik Zlotnikov. Well, if you want to talk about religions that have lived for thousands of years, Hinduism and Buddism are two very good examples. Moreover, they are common religions in the two most populous countries in the world, each with over a billion people -- between them, they have about one third of the entire population of the world. These religions have been around many years longer than Western civilization, and there is every indication that they will outlive Western civilization by thousands of years. > btw, you could look at maccentral.com if you ARE > qualified by some authority to talk about this, and see that even they > have confused themselves with 'analsts' blabber. I am familiar with maccentral.com, as well as many of the other most popular Apple-oriented web sites. > The only difference > betwen you and any analyst is how to get there. No, you also have to know something about the subject you're talking about. The analyst I previously quoted is by no means alone at being very upbeat about Apple, indeed every one I've read seems to agree that Apple is likely to sail through the recession relatively unscathed, what with billions of dollars of cash in the bank, no debt, and excellent sales prospects in the new PowerBook G4, iBook, etc.... > And please don't double > post to me and the list. Fine. All I need to know is your preference in this matter. > It's about time for an Architect to learn a > few things. Right. And a "yahoo" without a real e-mail address is just the guy to teach me. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. I've seen you express a lot of emotion and childish petulance here, but I have yet to see much of anything from you in the way of hard numbers, real facts, or anything else that would be useful in an adult conversation. -- Brad Knowles, /* efdtt.c Author: Charles M. 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