From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 8 19:04:12 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AF471065670 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 2009 19:04:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tajudd@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qy0-f173.google.com (mail-qy0-f173.google.com [209.85.221.173]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08CB88FC15 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 2009 19:04:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tajudd@gmail.com) Received: by qyk3 with SMTP id 3so4480208qyk.3 for ; Mon, 08 Jun 2009 12:04:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=E9loA31V4L9+rzHtSRMEOQhzFbWx1hvDjqaNLMf59qw=; b=yAHsclyABvSPYQGQe8cjUXr2ggFM4b45K+5LACT8P/WixpeY4QP55nLTKIk37A75rL GzmpnDo7r5xk5jnHDj3NDX7E5i+qZ36bH1//VF97ipfKmZJ7dRj6h84QD8QQDpdK0gHH Xhh2zSOJmC69lIIQD2mX6e4Xo2Iyf1TcfdFl0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=n+MrVFvocHqv6Wdj7GHj3rg3UDqJe1irdsEmry+fcSWPOMIhvoRHMy5BB3GkkK2GMF ReLMvFcPBoRZG53nacfCq9OWFj9qEvkbueqtQltF6REK3Tt5DPdd+Nfh5GPqN8DdYpov uDBws6j2it+FuLvDKn0fqPak1zCRPtlQUu4vA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.73.5 with SMTP id o5mr3878223vcj.112.1244487851187; Mon, 08 Jun 2009 12:04:11 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A2D5A7E.7030907@isafeelin.org> References: <7fc6c27a0906081056u161731c6m298efcf2aa471d38@mail.gmail.com> <4A2D5A7E.7030907@isafeelin.org> Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 13:04:11 -0600 Message-ID: From: Tim Judd To: Frederique Rijsdijk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: ericr , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What server hardware are you buying from the big companies these days? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 19:04:13 -0000 And I say you get what you pay for. My organization uses Dell exclusively and it's been a thorn in my side from day one. The AC power requirements (it seems) for Dells are about 3x as much as Gateways (I know, Gateway doesn't provide servers). The power draw for the Dells don't seem to be any better for them, in fact, they seem to run hotter. iXsystems, the PC-BSD guys, build components and provide hardware warranty like "the big companies". I would pick IBM or iXsystems. IBM's warranty policy is written out, the IBMs have had more overall success than any other big company brand, and we're talking the pioneers of the PCs.. "IBM or IBM compatible". IBMs are the highest priced units, but I've had zero problems with them. I dream big, only because I can. Good luck. On 6/8/09, Frederique Rijsdijk wrote: > ericr wrote: >> I need to buy some new servers, and mgmt has decreed that we get them from >> someplace which will provide service contracts with on-site h/w suppport, >> which means HP, Dell, Sun, IBM, etc. > > We use Dell almost exclusively. Although Dell doesn't officially support > FreeBSD, Dell hardware is tier-1 for FreeBSD. I think their hardware is > quite OK. The machines are built well. Haven't had too much to deal with > their onsite service (which is a good sign), but the times that I did I > think they handled it quite well, the parts were in house within 4 hours > and in a case where a motherboard had to be replaced, a Dell technician > was sent in as well and did his job fine. > > Dell's RAID controllers (Perc/5i and Perc/6i) work fine in BSD, and some > tools are available although with Linux emulation which kind of sucks. > > Here's a sample dmesg of a 1950: > >> Copyright (c) 1992-2009 The FreeBSD Project. >> Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 >> The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. >> FreeBSD is a registered trademark of The FreeBSD Foundation. >> FreeBSD 7.1-RELEASE-p4 #0: Fri Apr 3 10:28:13 CEST 2009 >> root@hostname:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC >> Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0 >> CPU: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU 5148 @ 2.33GHz (2327.52-MHz K8-class >> CPU) >> Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x6fb Stepping = 11 >> >> Features=0xbfebfbff >> >> Features2=0x4e3bd >> AMD Features=0x20100800 >> AMD Features2=0x1 >> Cores per package: 2 >> usable memory = 4276400128 (4078 MB) >> avail memory = 4114935808 (3924 MB) >> ACPI APIC Table: >> FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor System Detected: 2 CPUs >> cpu0 (BSP): APIC ID: 0 >> cpu1 (AP): APIC ID: 1 >> ioapic0: Changing APIC ID to 2 >> ioapic0 irqs 0-23 on motherboard >> kbd1 at kbdmux0 >> ath_hal: 0.9.20.3 (AR5210, AR5211, AR5212, RF5111, RF5112, RF2413, RF5413) >> acpi0: on motherboard >> acpi0: [ITHREAD] >> acpi0: Power Button (fixed) >> Timecounter "ACPI-fast" frequency 3579545 Hz quality 1000 >> acpi_timer0: <24-bit timer at 3.579545MHz> port 0x808-0x80b on acpi0 >> acpi_hpet0: iomem 0xfed00000-0xfed003ff on >> acpi0 >> Timecounter "HPET" frequency 14318180 Hz quality 900 >> pcib0: port 0xcf8-0xcff on acpi0 >> pci0: on pcib0 >> pcib1: at device 2.0 on pci0 >> pci4: on pcib1 >> pcib2: at device 0.0 on pci4 >> pci5: on pcib2 >> pcib3: at device 0.0 on pci5 >> pci6: on pcib3 >> pcib4: at device 0.0 on pci6 >> pci7: on pcib4 >> bce0: mem >> 0xf4000000-0xf5ffffff irq 16 at device 0.0 on pci7 >> miibus0: on bce0 >> brgphy0: PHY 1 on miibus0 >> brgphy0: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, 1000baseT, >> 1000baseT-FDX, auto >> bce0: Ethernet address: 00:22:19:82:e8:45 >> bce0: [ITHREAD] >> bce0: ASIC (0x57081020); Rev (B2); Bus (PCI-X, 64-bit, 133MHz); F/W >> (0x04000305); Flags( MFW MSI ) >> pcib5: at device 1.0 on pci5 >> pci8: on pcib5 >> pcib6: at device 0.3 on pci4 >> pci9: on pcib6 >> pcib7: at device 3.0 on pci0 >> pci1: on pcib7 >> mfi0: port 0xec00-0xecff mem >> 0xfc480000-0xfc4bffff,0xfc440000-0xfc47ffff irq 16 at device 0.0 on pci1 >> mfi0: Megaraid SAS driver Ver 3.00 >> mfi0: 2031 (292323270s/0x0020/info) - Shutdown command received from host >> mfi0: 2032 (boot + 3s/0x0020/info) - Firmware initialization started (PCI >> ID 0060/1000/1f0c/1028) >> mfi0: 2033 (boot + 3s/0x0020/info) - Firmware version 1.11.82-0473 >> mfi0: 2034 (boot + 3s/0x0008/info) - Battery Present >> mfi0: 2035 (boot + 3s/0x0020/info) - Package version 6.0.3-0002 >> mfi0: 2036 (boot + 21s/0x0004/info) - Enclosure (SES) discovered on PD >> 20(c None/p0) >> mfi0: 2037 (boot + 21s/0x0002/info) - Inserted: Encl PD 20 >> mfi0: 2038 (boot + 21s/0x0002/info) - Inserted: PD 20(c None/p0) Info: >> enclPd=20, scsiType=d, portMap=09, >> sasAddr=5001e090e8810900,0000000000000000 >> mfi0: 2039 (boot + 21s/0x0002/info) - Inserted: PD 00(e0x20/s0) >> mfi0: 2040 (boot + 21s/0x0002/info) - Inserted: PD 00(e0x20/s0) Info: >> enclPd=20, scsiType=0, portMap=00, >> sasAddr=5000c5000d253121,0000000000000000 >> mfi0: 2041 (boot + 21s/0x0002/info) - Inserted: PD 01(e0x20/s1) >> mfi0: 2042 (boot + 21s/0x0002/info) - Inserted: PD 01(e0x20/s1) Info: >> enclPd=20, scsiType=0, portMap=01, >> sasAddr=5000c5000d25eb55,0000000000000000 >> mfi0: 2043 (boot + 21s/0x0002/info) - Inserted: PD 02(e0x20/s2) >> mfi0: 2044 (boot + 21s/0x0002/info) - Inserted: PD 02(e0x20/s2) Info: >> enclPd=20, scsiType=0, portMap=02, >> sasAddr=5000c5000d2420ed,0000000000000000 >> mfi0: 2045 (292323299s/0x0020/info) - Time established as 04/06/09 >> 8:54:59; (29 seconds since power on) >> mfi0: 2046 (292323338s/0x0008/info) - Battery temperature is normal >> mfi0: [ITHREAD] >> pcib8: at device 4.0 on pci0 >> pci10: on pcib8 >> pcib9: at device 5.0 on pci0 >> pci11: on pcib9 >> pcib10: at device 6.0 on pci0 >> pci12: on pcib10 >> pcib11: at device 7.0 on pci0 >> pci13: on pcib11 >> pcib12: at device 28.0 on pci0 >> pci2: on pcib12 >> pcib13: at device 0.0 on pci2 >> pci3: on pcib13 >> bce1: mem >> 0xf8000000-0xf9ffffff irq 16 at device 0.0 on pci3 >> miibus1: on bce1 >> brgphy1: PHY 1 on miibus1 >> brgphy1: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, 1000baseT, >> 1000baseT-FDX, auto >> bce1: Ethernet address: 00:22:19:82:e8:43 >> bce1: [ITHREAD] >> bce1: ASIC (0x57081020); Rev (B2); Bus (PCI-X, 64-bit, 133MHz); F/W >> (0x04000305); Flags( MFW MSI ) >> uhci0: port >> 0xcce0-0xccff irq 21 at device 29.0 on pci0 >> uhci0: [GIANT-LOCKED] >> uhci0: [ITHREAD] >> usb0: on uhci0 >> usb0: USB revision 1.0 >> uhub0: on usb0 >> uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered >> uhci1: port >> 0xccc0-0xccdf irq 20 at device 29.1 on pci0 >> uhci1: [GIANT-LOCKED] >> uhci1: [ITHREAD] >> usb1: on uhci1 >> usb1: USB revision 1.0 >> uhub1: on usb1 >> uhub1: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered >> uhci2: port >> 0xcca0-0xccbf irq 21 at device 29.2 on pci0 >> uhci2: [GIANT-LOCKED] >> uhci2: [ITHREAD] >> usb2: on uhci2 >> usb2: USB revision 1.0 >> uhub2: on usb2 >> uhub2: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered >> uhci3: port >> 0xcc80-0xcc9f irq 20 at device 29.3 on pci0 >> uhci3: [GIANT-LOCKED] >> uhci3: [ITHREAD] >> usb3: on uhci3 >> usb3: USB revision 1.0 >> uhub3: on usb3 >> uhub3: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered >> ehci0: mem 0xfc500400-0xfc5007ff irq 21 >> at device 29.7 on pci0 >> ehci0: [GIANT-LOCKED] >> ehci0: [ITHREAD] >> usb4: EHCI version 1.0 >> usb4: companion controllers, 2 ports each: usb0 usb1 usb2 usb3 >> usb4: on ehci0 >> usb4: USB revision 2.0 >> uhub4: on usb4 >> uhub4: 8 ports with 8 removable, self powered >> uhub5: on >> uhub4 >> uhub5: multiple transaction translators >> uhub5: 4 ports with 4 removable, self powered >> pcib14: at device 30.0 on pci0 >> pci14: on pcib14 >> vgapci0: port 0xdc00-0xdcff mem >> 0xd8000000-0xdfffffff,0xfc2d0000-0xfc2dffff irq 19 at device 13.0 on pci14 >> isab0: at device 31.0 on pci0 >> isa0: on isab0 >> atapci0: port >> 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6,0x170-0x177,0x376,0xfc00-0xfc0f at device 31.1 on pci0 >> ata0: on atapci0 >> ata0: [ITHREAD] >> ata1: on atapci0 >> ata1: [ITHREAD] >> fdc0: port 0x3f0-0x3f5,0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on >> acpi0 >> fdc0: does not respond >> device_attach: fdc0 attach returned 6 >> sio0: configured irq 4 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0 >> sio0: port may not be enabled >> sio0: configured irq 4 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0 >> sio0: port may not be enabled >> sio0: <16550A-compatible COM port> port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on >> acpi0 >> sio0: type 16550A >> sio0: [FILTER] >> sio1: configured irq 3 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0 >> sio1: port may not be enabled >> sio1: configured irq 3 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0 >> sio1: port may not be enabled >> sio1: <16550A-compatible COM port> port 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on acpi0 >> sio1: type 16550A >> sio1: [FILTER] >> cpu0: on acpi0 >> est0: on cpu0 >> est: CPU supports Enhanced Speedstep, but is not recognized. >> est: cpu_vendor GenuineIntel, msr 71f071f0600071f >> device_attach: est0 attach returned 6 >> p4tcc0: on cpu0 >> cpu1: on acpi0 >> est1: on cpu1 >> est: CPU supports Enhanced Speedstep, but is not recognized. >> est: cpu_vendor GenuineIntel, msr 71f071f0600071f >> device_attach: est1 attach returned 6 >> p4tcc1: on cpu1 >> fdc0: port 0x3f0-0x3f5,0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on >> acpi0 >> fdc0: does not respond >> device_attach: fdc0 attach returned 6 >> cryptosoft0: on motherboard >> orm0: at iomem >> 0xc0000-0xc8fff,0xc9000-0xc9fff,0xec000-0xeffff on isa0 >> atkbdc0: at port 0x60,0x64 on isa0 >> atkbd0: irq 1 on atkbdc0 >> kbd0 at atkbd0 >> atkbd0: [GIANT-LOCKED] >> atkbd0: [ITHREAD] >> ppc0: cannot reserve I/O port range >> sc0: at flags 0x100 on isa0 >> sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x300> >> vga0: at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0 >> Timecounters tick every 1.000 msec >> acd0: DVDROM at ata0-master UDMA33 >> mfi0: 2047 (292323338s/0x0008/info) - Current capacity of the battery is >> above threshold >> mfid0: on mfi0 >> mfid0: 952832MB (1951399936 sectors) RAID volume '' is optimal >> SMP: AP CPU #1 Launched! >> Trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/mfid0s1a >> ipfw2 (+ipv6) initialized, divert loadable, nat loadable, rule-based >> forwarding disabled, default to deny, logging disabled > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >