From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Wed Dec 20 19:40:11 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C20F0E9F9EA for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2017 19:40:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ultima1252@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-x229.google.com (mail-yw0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c05::229]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7F74E7E5EB for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2017 19:40:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ultima1252@gmail.com) Received: by mail-yw0-x229.google.com with SMTP id m129so2130102ywb.11 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2017 11:40:11 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=Ke9yEjJORGVWlZ94XmKRiVZc6PpoEIQccaL9daJLdhg=; b=GE6eAwLx2n2qp/GKrGgkTM8ZnxULMEIe4LXGKdtkPv3CsN4Q+3JxpGVr0Bja34+10J edsDfes2TTUL0bi4U93tCkgyX+ENwuI6qQ/8NE/ZfUX5X4kaTNku1qw6XTwbhSgNR01Z BI/sjxjqb+Zusc3T1Hrm7E0mflMzSs54LbcFjFEOX8F1fLl8qEbAvz4xri/iR4WTpk0N hpAjbaZYAEufWd99t/z98vcgU5eW49MYgLEwswB4db/JYD9PSOFToq2p+KWotN4+jnAH GangmKlAFTUqv231dgYDOs8n4vgKJ0UA3YjGCKw4V1BTIau05Bf1G2pbw2lbXqEpmNjy 7upA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=Ke9yEjJORGVWlZ94XmKRiVZc6PpoEIQccaL9daJLdhg=; b=VPAhUGnbwL20i8qVYe2sbOAJSa6BKJxYkto6odzUd1kDj95Tx7w3WiFkq8yFubJMiq 11goiLxZX+gQYlHePHu5XzEIicS35roMmh0PzinutvjnmT2TYMtyY8FoHT33Pmda2wrn 2hz1NeLLmZFahF0s7Viq7xVsgXpWGE77G4keo7RFBt3mP6HMtgdJcDRqST2kWCUO+tE7 dKdSA3g8naoS/Rsj5qmew/1bEoiyCi5fOSZvfwjI938KoAFlOjzKOpinYapL7nI3MXTL OTif/3rXIWahowM1g6pt3Uw2sId9ec1Fr7LGha5B9jFLnca1gGcvYPmFSPpUQa8cCd1o 7MBg== X-Gm-Message-State: AKGB3mJO/hKC2X/xjb8kjGpnrmC5wVfFQ6HlTN6hGoeZlpTjbLNQlybH Up4bCCkbwrUTEwE2NbKROnrwq2fMWu2CG0BjA45Bwg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACJfBosIgQnAf6TMF0oNQ3GBjA4ZLP4VPzCu7xw4ublI6ck0XVpUo7aZld29fwcR6PQewJ6KrSB3wJBjBg3/MI9K7ik= X-Received: by 10.129.131.203 with SMTP id t194mr5997496ywf.115.1513798810371; Wed, 20 Dec 2017 11:40:10 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.129.174.3 with HTTP; Wed, 20 Dec 2017 11:40:09 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <3267de19-6e00-a72a-e2a7-abb322ccf7ac@rawbw.com> From: Ultima Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2017 11:40:09 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Vote: making wayland=on default To: FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2017 19:40:11 -0000 I support adding wayland support on by default as well. It still is WIP in several areas one I have not seen mentioned yet includes nvidia graphics cards. Needing to rebuild several ports just to test does seem a bit too much though. Best regards, Richard Gallamore On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 11:14 AM, Johannes Lundberg wrote: > Hi Yuri > > To be clear, we're not transitioning to anything, we're simply adding > more options. Compare it to adding a new window manager for X, it > doesn't mean you have to stop using the existing ones... > > > On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 5:39 PM, Yuri wrote: > > On 12/20/17 01:20, Johannes Lundberg wrote: > >> > >> For any Desktop user (as well as embedded devices > >> like IVI-systems and whatnot), Wayland is the future. There's no > >> escaping that. > > > > > > Over the history of its development, Wayland could never clearly answer > the > > question "What are the benefits of Wayland for the end user?". > > Additionally, they always advocated the removal of features like > networked > > connections, window manager features. > > > > It appears that this is the case of fixing of something (xorg) that > > wasn't/isn't broken in the first place. And if it is considered broken, > then > > how, in which way? > > > > But you are right, it is a reality that Wayand devs had enough > horsepower to > > eventually, after many years, make it and now impose it on everybody, and > > force it to be a future reality. > > > > There are a lot of things that need to be verified that they work: > x11vnc, > > the ability to connect to a display remotely, every window manager should > > work with it, ex. xfce4, dwm. > > > > People should be asking the question "What's the benefit of the > transition > > to X?". The answer should include the functional benefits to users, not > just > > "We need to switch to something called X." What new features or > improvements > > will users actually see? > > > > > > Just my 2c. > > Yuri > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >