From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 21 07:45:22 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12209139; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 07:45:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glebius@FreeBSD.org) Received: from cell.glebius.int.ru (glebius.int.ru [81.19.64.117]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 840348FC0C; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 07:45:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from cell.glebius.int.ru (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cell.glebius.int.ru (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id qAL7jJKe075376; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 11:45:19 +0400 (MSK) (envelope-from glebius@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from glebius@localhost) by cell.glebius.int.ru (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id qAL7jJPn075375; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 11:45:19 +0400 (MSK) (envelope-from glebius@FreeBSD.org) X-Authentication-Warning: cell.glebius.int.ru: glebius set sender to glebius@FreeBSD.org using -f Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 11:45:19 +0400 From: Gleb Smirnoff To: Olivier Smedts Subject: Re: Upgrading FreeBSD to use the NEW pf syntax. (Copied from freebsd-pf) Message-ID: <20121121074519.GP67660@FreeBSD.org> References: <20121120121333.GB88593@in-addr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: Gary Palmer , Paul Webster , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 07:45:22 -0000 Olivier, On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 01:24:49PM +0100, Olivier Smedts wrote: O> > The other question that I haven't seen answered (or maybe even asked), but O> > is relevant: what do we gain by going to a later version of pf? I.e. as an O> > administrator, what benefit do I get by having to expend effort converting O> > my filter rules? O> > O> > Gary O> O> At some time we'll surely *have* to upgrade our pf, because the legacy O> version won't be supported upstream. I say that a major release is the O> most appropriated place for such a change. This isn't answer to Gary's question, sorry. He asked for what exact features or performance gains are we talking about when we say "the new pf". Regarding your answer. First, OpenBSD never supports anything older than the latest release. Thus, pf in FreeBSD was never supported by OpenBSD and never would be. Second, if you carefully analyze current open problem reports in GNATS assigned to freebsd-pf, you would find, that vast majority of them are specific to FreeBSD port and are not shared with OpenBSD. Taking this into account I will state, that pf needs to be supported by FreeBSD developers, end. -- Totus tuus, Glebius.