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Sun, 27 Mar 2022 11:33:47 -0700 (PDT) List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <38b7f44-6d54-fec6-c1f0-d3609d301687@safeport.com> <20220327081341.ef6a08004fb6986edf1b941e@sohara.org> <2441ae2f-0726-f72f-88bd-6686f1751faf@tinka.africa> In-Reply-To: <2441ae2f-0726-f72f-88bd-6686f1751faf@tinka.africa> From: Mehmet Erol Sanliturk Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2022 21:33:11 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Using a FreeBSD desktop was somehting about dog food To: Mark Tinka Cc: questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000bc34f705db376f40" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4KRPbw3BKKz4VTS X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b=fK79HcGH; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of mesanliturk@gmail.com designates 2001:4860:4864:20::30 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=mesanliturk@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; 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Having to > add lipstick and ribbons is less of a concern. To be fair, I don't see > anything wrong with that. It mirrors real life... if people are willing to > give you their free time to get you access to something typically only > available to a few, it's pretty hard to be a chooser. > > Mark. > You are absolutely correct . In no case I am blaming very valuable FreeBSD developers and users . My main viewpoint is that people using FreeBSD and earning money from this but NOT supporting FreeBSD Project , should support the FreeBSD Foundation to enable the FreeBSD Project to implement missing points . To reduce my message content I did not mention the above fact . In my previous messages the above fact is specified plainly . Another very important obstacle in front of the open source projects is the Nondisclosure Agreements ( NDA ) . My opinion is that developments in Open Design products , the open source world will overcome this problem over time . 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On Sun, Mar 27, 2022= at 6:56 PM Mark Tinka <mark@tinka.africa> wrote:
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On 3/27/22 11:25, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote:


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Ov= er the years , without relentlessly I am mentioning this difficulty point .
It= seems that there is no hope to reach=C2=A0=C2=A0 a solution to this problem .
I = do not know why .

My thoughts are that if folk want pretty and easy, several options already exist.

The open source world is, IMHO, more concerned with making inaccessible features and services available to the masses at the very least. Having to add lipstick and ribbons is less of a concern. To be fair, I don't see anything wrong with that. It mirrors real life... if people are willing to give you their free time to get you access to something typically only available to a few, it's pretty hard to be a chooser.

Mark.


You are absolutely correct . In no case I am blaming very valuable FreeBS= D developers and
users . My main viewpoint is that=C2=A0 peo= ple using FreeBSD and earning money from this but NOT supporting FreeBSD Pr= oject ,
should support=C2=A0 the FreeBSD Foundation to = enable the FreeBSD Project to
implement missing points = .

To reduce my message content I did n= ot mention the above fact . In my previous messages
the abov= e fact is specified plainly .


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Another very important obstacle in front of the open source proje= cts is the
Nondisclosure Agreements ( NDA ) . My opinion is = that developments in Open Design
products , the open source = world will overcome this problem over time .

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