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From: "Brian" <bri@sonicboom.org>
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Subject: Re: Chasing the kiddies (was: Named Keep crashing)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 23:03:34 -0700
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I disagree, scanning is often a prelude to malicious activity.

        Brian

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kal Torak" <kaltorak@quake.com.au>
To: "Forrest W. Christian" <forrestc@imach.com>
Cc: "Enno Davids" <enno.davids@metva.com.au>; <freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG>
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 9:00 PM
Subject: Re: Chasing the kiddies (was: Named Keep crashing)


> "Forrest W. Christian" wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Kal Torak wrote:
> >
> > > Why should network scanning be a crime at all? If anything should be a
crime
> > > its sloppy admins that let there networks get comprimised...
> >
> > But when after you scan, you break in and destroy data, THAT should be
the
> > crime I'm talking about.
> >
> > What you don't realize is that a lot of these attacks are now automated
> > rootkits which basically scan for the hole and if they find it, ROOT
YOUR
> > MACHINE.
> >
> > This is wrong.
>
>
> Yeah sure its wrong to break in, but its not wrong to scan... Its a fine
line
> these days, but a line all the same...
>
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