From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Apr 3 16: 4:38 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from ucan.foad.org (ucan.foad.org [64.173.36.245]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0BF537B41A for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 16:04:33 -0800 (PST) Received: (from pde@localhost) by ucan.foad.org (foad/FOAD2.0) id g3404WK12636; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 16:04:32 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 16:04:32 -0800 From: Pete Ehlke To: Anthony Atkielski Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Anti-Unix Site Runs Unix Message-ID: <20020403160432.H20012@ehlke.net> References: <003a01c1da0e$4ec56080$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <20020402161351.A26122@wantadilla.lemis.com> <006901c1da80$599af0c0$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <20020403085624.J26122@wantadilla.lemis.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20020403075529.00d0adf0@nospam.lariat.org> <006701c1db45$088784d0$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <20020403112808.E20012@ehlke.net> <007801c1db4e$dab82dc0$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <20020403125720.F20012@ehlke.net> <008801c1db5d$89854aa0$0a00000a@atkielski.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <008801c1db5d$89854aa0$0a00000a@atkielski.com>; from anthony@atkielski.com on Thu, Apr 04, 2002 at 12:18:51AM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Apr 04, 2002 at 12:18:51AM +0200, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Pete writes: > > > A clear timeline is contained in the Court's > > findings of fact. > No, there isn't. Prove me wrong. You have to be able to read. There's no scale written across the bottom of any page, no nifty Excel graphic embedded with a great big arrow saying "Predatory Pricing HERE ---->" and "Began Violating Sherman Act HERE ---->". Legal documents are sorta like that. Thank ghod, most members of the US Federal judiciary still insist on writing for a literate audience, and not for USA Today. > > http://www.usdoj.gov/atr/cases/f3800/msjudgex.htm#v > I don't see any timeline in there, just a hundred pages of running text. Funny thing about complicated and difficult topics- sometimes it takes complicated and difficult writing to explicate them. > No need for a personal attack. You can admit that you there really isn't a > timeline in that document, and you just threw it out in the hope that I'd be > intimidated. But now I'm calling your bluff. Where's the timeline? As a > matter of fact, I don't think you've even read that document. Prove me > wrong, and point out the timeline. The entire document is a timeline. It's a history, a chronology, a delineation of events, and the definitive statement of how Microsoft engaged in predatory pricing practices and illegally leveraged its OS monopoly in violation of the Sherman Act. This is a complex story that is not well represented by a simple graph. Your insistence that it should be betrays a willful ignorance. > If you are going to point people to putative references to support your > position, you should at least make sure that they contain what you claim. > If you're unable to read a document that's more than a page long and extract from it the information you need to engage the subject at hand in an informed maner, if your eyes glaze over when someone asks you to assimilate more than 25 80 column lines, then one wonders how you learn anything at all. -Pete -- "religious fanatics are not part of my desired user base." - djb@cr.yp.to To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message