From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Mar 15 22:58:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from guru.mired.org (okc-65-26-235-186.mmcable.com [65.26.235.186]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AF8CF37B719 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 22:58:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mwm@mired.org) Received: (qmail 74403 invoked by uid 100); 16 Mar 2001 06:58:13 -0000 From: Mike Meyer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15025.47493.572650.285805@guru.mired.org> Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 00:58:13 -0600 To: Brett Glass Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Stallman stalls again In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20010315232521.00ccf340@localhost> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010315180735.00c71720@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20010315075228.00e60ac0@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20010315005732.00b5cef0@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20010314185307.00e6ab00@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20010314182353.00ba5880@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20010314170008.00d86960@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20010314132512.04acb100@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20010313211657.00e294a0@localhost> <3AADC096.DE27817@outpost.co.nz> <4.3.2.7.2.20010311235053.00e26140@localhost> <20010305205030.G80474@lpt.ens.fr> <4.3.2.7.2.20010305125259.00cfdae0@localhost> <20010305142108.A17269@marx.marvic.chum> <4.3.2.7.2.20010306011342.045fb360@localhost> <20010306081025.A22143@marx.marvic.chum> <4.3.2.7.2.20010306092612.00b79f00@localhost> <20010306174618.N32515@lpt.ens.fr> <4.3.2.7.2.20010311230800.00e19bd0@localhost> <15020.28993.192354.986367@guru.mired.org> <4.3.2.7.2.20010312223234.0445f3a0@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20010315232521.00ccf340@localhost> X-Mailer: VM 6.89 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Brett Glass types: > At 07:26 PM 3/15/2001, Mike Meyer wrote: > >> Stallman has explicitly stated his intent. Many times over. > > > >That seems to be a habit of yours - saying what you believe to be true > >without ever offering any proof. You respond to people not believing > >you - or to them providing references that show you are wrong - by > >repeating your believes. > > That's "beliefs," I believe. > > And it's not merely a "belief." Again, it's fact. Yes, it's a fact that you spell it beliefs. As for what you believe about Stallman, repeating it as often as you want won't prove it, and won't change anyones mind. I offered you a chance to prove it, and the best you could do was come up with a couple of quotes that are as bad as Allchin's quotes, but don't prove anything. All of which makes it look like you are spreading lies in an attempt to justify the most recent publishers attacks on fair use rights, and on the rights of independent artists to create and distribute their own music. > >There's no such court case as "the VHS case". > Yes, there is -- or was. The company that was actually sued > was RCA, as I recall. There is no court case whose title is "the VHS case", just like there's no such thing as "the US Copyright Code." There may well be a court case that is sometimes referred to by that name, but that's not a solid reference to it, and it certainly isn't the case I'm referring to. That one is "Sony Corporation of America et al. v. Universal City Sudios, Inc., et al.", and is commonly called "the betamax case" to avoid having to type that stuff out, just like "United States Code, Title 17 - Copyright" is sometimes called "the US Copyright code." > But there's no point trying to reason with you. I've not > bothered to respond to the portions of your messages that > were pure invective, because it's just not worth the time. You know, I now know why you act the way you do. It's fun. It's also amusing to see that you get to the same point that people do when dealing with you, and just give it up as a waste of time. http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Independent WWW/Perforce/FreeBSD/Unix consultant, email for more information. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message