From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 26 22:45:16 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCA2116A418 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 22:45:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5CA813C457 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 22:45:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBQMjFrw088604; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 15:45:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) with ESMTP id lBQMjFAk088601; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 15:45:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 15:45:15 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: Paul Schmehl In-Reply-To: <2C4BA76BE60FC029360155FE@paul-schmehls-powerbook59.local> Message-ID: <20071226153541.S88508@wonkity.com> References: <200712212341.44308@aldan> <200712221313.lBMDDx5M036478@lava.sentex.ca> <200712260038.11546@aldan> <20071226062508.GA85141@parts-unknown.org> <2C4BA76BE60FC029360155FE@paul-schmehls-powerbook59.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Wed, 26 Dec 2007 15:45:15 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: usb/umass, devfs: this sucks X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 22:45:16 -0000 On Wed, 26 Dec 2007, Paul Schmehl wrote: > --On December 25, 2007 10:25:08 PM -0800 David Benfell > wrote: > >> On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 00:38:11 -0500, Mikhail Teterin wrote: >>> >>> If we want people to give FreeBSD a try in good faith, it is both >>> profoundly stupid and dishonest on our part to claim, we have a >>> working USB-system... It does not matter, how great our buffer-sharing >>> VM is, if a home user can't process their photos with a >>> FreeBSD-powered computer. > > To the OP of this thread - generalized statements like this aren't very > helpful. I have a USB mouse and a USB keyboard, both of which work fine and > always have. Well, me too, and a USB scanner which works well. But I understand the frustration. Lately, I was trying to use a card reader with a too-long USB cable. Not only did that not work, but it could slow the system down to nothing or panic it. Fixed with a powered hub... It seems like we need another kind of storage, something that is known to be only mostly data-safe. If the system would gracefully handle unexpected media removals, that would be nice. Not everything is a trustworthy hard drive. The user ought to be able to tell the system "Yes, da0s1 is an msdos filesystem which I'm going to be yanking out at unexpected times. Yes, I know it might lose some data, but at least figure things out and don't panic." -Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA