From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 4 00:08:55 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED26F10666B7 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 00:08:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stas@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.ht-systems.ru (mr0.ht-systems.ru [78.110.50.55]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D9508FC0A for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 00:08:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stas@FreeBSD.org) Received: from [85.21.245.235] (helo=stal.SpringDaemons.com) by smtp.ht-systems.ru with esmtpa (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1Kb1v9-0006UP-IC; Thu, 04 Sep 2008 03:37:55 +0400 Received: from stal.SpringDaemons.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by stal.SpringDaemons.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 99B0322808; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 03:40:10 +0400 (MSD) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 03:40:10 +0400 From: Stanislav Sedov To: Dan Allen Message-Id: <20080904034010.ff1e541e.stas@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <0497DBEF-6DC8-4DDD-9ED4-EAD9188D660C@airwired.net> References: <0497DBEF-6DC8-4DDD-9ED4-EAD9188D660C@airwired.net> Organization: The FreeBSD Project X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.5.0 (GTK+ 2.12.11; i386-portbld-freebsd6.3) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg="PGP-SHA1"; boundary="Signature=_Thu__4_Sep_2008_03_40_10_+0400_+LctDYYbvBTlSYXp" Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, phill@sysctl.net Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7.1 Content X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 00:08:56 -0000 --Signature=_Thu__4_Sep_2008_03_40_10_+0400_+LctDYYbvBTlSYXp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 3 Sep 2008 17:01:31 -0600 Dan Allen mentioned: > Phillip Salzman wrote: > > An easy answer would be to put the web-browser and such the first =20 > > disk, but > > I don't think it would solve anything. If it kept with those, =20 > > FreeBSD would > > find itself just moving towards the same work being done at PC-BSD, =20 > > wouldn't > > it? >=20 > When I see almost 200 MB free on disc1 of 7.0, and I remember the =20 > handy apps & pkgs which used to be on past releases of FreeBSD, I do =20 > not see it as moving towards PC-BSD as much as I see it as going back =20 > to what FreeBSD used to have just a few releases ago. > In truth, for workstations and laptops at least, most of us do want a =20 > web browser. Not having a decent web browser out of the box in 2008 =20 > after 15 years of web browser development gives BSD a really archaic =20 > look and feel. We all know that BSD is the best, most solid OS out =20 > there - but occasionally we need to do a bit of marketing, we need to =20 > show our stuff to let others see that "we get it". > Dan >=20 I don't think the the problem really is in including the web browser, or X11 or not. All of us have different preferences on which soft we want to have on the first CD. That is I won't probably want a web browser when installing the server, but php, ruby and nginx instead. I think, that the current set of packages for the first CD is reasonable enough. The real problem is that our installation program isn't flexible enough and, truly speaking, obsolete. There're several programs of preparing the new generation installation system for FreeBSD, and after it's finished we'll probably able to prepare target-oriented CD sets, e.g. one for server installs, one for workstations, etc. It should be also good enough to allow you easily install any software you want whatever way you prefer. --=20 Stanislav Sedov ST4096-RIPE --Signature=_Thu__4_Sep_2008_03_40_10_+0400_+LctDYYbvBTlSYXp Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAki/IFoACgkQK/VZk+smlYF80ACeOoVN/MXnQSrLR3erMlX/pwE6 U98AnRW8Ohvx1aTGYPsjjOkvr1nKkyL0 =C8Sg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Signature=_Thu__4_Sep_2008_03_40_10_+0400_+LctDYYbvBTlSYXp--