From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 20 18:42:34 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CFD9D9E1; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 18:42:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.lifanov.com (mail.lifanov.com [206.125.175.12]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B390F8BB; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 18:42:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail.lifanov.com (Postfix, from userid 58) id F3EF71B4362; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 14:33:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (vnat004.nandomedia.com [166.108.31.68]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.lifanov.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B73081B435E; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 14:33:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <54455570.8070808@mail.lifanov.com> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 14:33:20 -0400 From: Nikolai Lifanov User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rainer Duffner , David Chisnall Subject: Re: Voxer using FreeBSD, BSDNow.tv interview References: <31A8D963-F8EF-4D68-9586-39EE8A7C7C5A@FreeBSD.org> <1FB509B4-25C3-42D7-9F66-8685DEC712D2@ultra-secure.de> In-Reply-To: <1FB509B4-25C3-42D7-9F66-8685DEC712D2@ultra-secure.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Craig Rodrigues , freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, freebsd-current Current X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 18:42:34 -0000 On 10/20/14 13:36, Rainer Duffner wrote: > >> Am 20.10.2014 um 10:19 schrieb David Chisnall : >> >> >> I presume that most of the relevant differences are for users / developers and not sysadmins? It's worth noting that GNU coreutils, tar, bash, and a load of other things are in the ports repository. I wonder if it's worth having a gnu-userland metaport, perhaps with something like the Solaris approach of sticking them all in a different tree so that you can just add that to the start of your PATH and have all of the GNU tools work by default. >> > > > They use chef. > The chef omnibus installer assumes there is a /bin/bash. Even the FreeBSD version of it. Well, it least it did the last time I looked. Maybe this got fixed in the meantime. > Which means that to „bootstrap“ a node, you’ve first got to install pkg on it, install bash, symlink it to /bin/bash and then bootstrap the node. > Which kind of runs against the concept of doing everything via chef. > > > Hi from sysutils/ansible maintainer! The ansible port REINPLACE_CMDs away hardcoded paths at build time. This way managing FreeBSD "just works". Maybe chef can benefit from the same approach? - Nikolai Lifanov