From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Mar 18 05:42:56 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18B4C27D2F9 for ; Wed, 18 Mar 2020 05:42:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@sibptus.ru) Received: from admin.sibptus.ru (admin.sibptus.ru [IPv6:2001:19f0:5001:21dc::10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48hzTV3wScz4H9H for ; Wed, 18 Mar 2020 05:42:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@sibptus.ru) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sibptus.ru; s=20181118; h=In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=E+F+ztKcqoMnqdilgv0T1ORGHfe8owUhgXcSN3laW5E=; b=inrnmSiKIzAgnmvhgwddwUxAcw u8FLfLos+zMT/B+a1+XN3ESkcmXuuMS9wQHjFQg/3p599ftI5bePnjoyPYx0/7cKWI+rgNzsSjH4R 79eW6csncFviKyrnAZUjfSy3s9v/hLjlqO3Zb8DN9+Ga9y/paF4gKgwkd4f6ZNZLI5w0=; Received: from vas by admin.sibptus.ru with local (Exim 4.93.0.4 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1jERTg-000EU1-3n for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 18 Mar 2020 12:42:52 +0700 Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2020 12:42:52 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Technological advantages over Linux Message-ID: <20200318054252.GA55645@admin.sibptus.ru> References: <20200215141238.GY1879@aurora.gregv.net> <20200316110246.GB95052@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200317044821.GA19098@admin.sibptus.ru> <57fa21ef-83d3-7a62-19f6-5475ffa437b2@kicp.uchicago.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="9jxsPFA5p3P2qPhR" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <57fa21ef-83d3-7a62-19f6-5475ffa437b2@kicp.uchicago.edu> X-PGP-Key: http://admin.sibptus.ru/~vas/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 48hzTV3wScz4H9H X-Spamd-Bar: -------- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=sibptus.ru header.s=20181118 header.b=inrnmSiK; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=sibptus.ru; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of vas@sibptus.ru designates 2001:19f0:5001:21dc::10 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=vas@sibptus.ru X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-8.44 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.99)[-0.986,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[sibptus.ru:s=20181118]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; IP_SCORE(-3.36)[ip: (-9.89), ipnet: 2001:19f0:5000::/38(-4.94), asn: 20473(-1.91), country: US(-0.05)]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[sibptus.ru:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[sibptus.ru,none]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:20473, ipnet:2001:19f0:5000::/38, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2020 05:42:56 -0000 --9jxsPFA5p3P2qPhR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Valeri Galtsev wrote: > > >=20 > > > > 1. On Debian, you can run several instances of php-fpm with differe= nt > > > > PHP versions in them. > > > >=20 > > > > 2. On Debian, you can install and run several versions of PostgreSQL > > > > simultaneously thanks to the pg_createcluster/pg_lsclusters/... > > > > infrastructure. > > > >=20 > > > > All that from standard packages, without manual compiling and tweak= ing, > > > > jails etc, with minimal effort. > > > >=20 > > > > Not that FreeBSD could not do that, it just does not do that. Espec= ially > > > > PHP verions are a great PITA. > > >=20 > > > It's not much effort to use jails for these cases. I prefer it this w= ay. > >=20 > > Using jails will be especially counterproductive in case of PostgreSQL > > because you will not be able to do smart things like > > "pg_update --link --old-datadir XXX --new-datadir YYY". > >=20 > Running postgresql in jails (several instances in jails on several physic= al > machines), never had problem to do update as above. Do you mean "--link" works across filesystems/jails/physical machines? Can't believe this. --=20 Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN 2:5005/49@fidonet http://vas.tomsk.ru/ --9jxsPFA5p3P2qPhR Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJecbTcAAoJEA2k8lmbXsY0IZAH/0DT5s5915pgDCNvaggOWSTi P9oFcCVyFJ5TJ8vCB/Hk68MmFSMLJfbIb1KpekebdwB/jvQfF0Y/SM/mEg3tQxxL LfzLeMEx1hW2BkdQko6R13b/p8UcKajsONOrZ13uYRpXnOIPmDoDOZKToyqA1Ufl tXWFsFzKBRvzkiDq2IG3dq2L9xuGDdgjeVtBJeaW4ZBeWMV/g9D0wXEO+d2Ogxat qD/wJj3OE7s3g7qh4xel3LryQsGuUPlkah65tl1NCMAjtr6sAgG7mJUEQ/FA/ILm 2DRXEn28iqBmPpT8NX6gV86MQYfOUgt7FyQKtoP0O23sznIUC+NpvWNswmXvRsQ= =RmDR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --9jxsPFA5p3P2qPhR--