From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Mar 17 10:35:57 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F00AD10DF3 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 10:35:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from nm4-vm8.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (nm4-vm8.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [212.82.96.106]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1EC1015E0 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 10:35:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s2048; t=1489746784; bh=AV7VkNLPocdqH/olCcMBOb37/DeIzgEsQ9Hxu3W+mhg=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From:Subject; b=oRJje8pAOaxj5tG0We0aZtJrMO4MBMftezsu9wnTg5ZC/RK43qLQ9oBtmeZZvFfIFPjV/24ySyeU61/IhuvKO08l11sI5M3Zu5KTX3jRwZ5BHFU5wg9z7JL9BN1Dy4KHztTabfdoYiKINw32ltydhDkawA5Jqduaz5Ev8fHjUhxc1Rtb9fReU5yPl4nAL23yzLqD/ovwkwWk0ZL5MyTfnY9HYG8Vry9K4oLjweM3Ny+38DLA9SNXJFFndiOTTBKJdL9hja/pPaNNzwFYeetBQx9yw+98Ge1d+TfZDxgviTt8HY6FgtPK4sOYZI3BE8zbTB08oqLRFeKP0EQOSlhpeQ== Received: from [212.82.98.52] by nm4.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Mar 2017 10:33:04 -0000 Received: from [46.228.39.80] by tm5.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Mar 2017 10:33:04 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp117.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Mar 2017 10:33:04 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 385020.5036.bm@smtp117.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: Misp2awVM1kWZD6TzlD7gxmxCh_EYTtoriim9XEbsFzkLHU hH5oA9jao.HeWByKNz9w6dVbUjiD3M4Q.LZ7bIYqE0hWL1E33XW2yKDt4MUr 4NzKAlR6Ce1KwrzIxZZevFKevSt8BhjxEoGX9LmXX1SfIW8FGjp.dCn0vzWE Q8nEQxsIJ2Dnl7yZvgnjVZajTcY4eRd6KmT6Ee8pGfHQeP4tqZV.Eo4.qLIJ xvZUToPZPPuTgRO.bjuF3a5SXCwv.wGGsMfaKA9FAMG1kOAFY6sF4jwADGs9 CJ8WJka0CLPusFsctElrHKCxeBa0qd5xoNItf_5IWeKiIMyd_qeARiIaO77p noONuroOV6e6g.I7F9xnzJt9QxOOsoatzMFkCimvxBJfBCqdG1PApKVThbrz NKZ9Hr7eH2Gb_cweGglbEmQ31AuMQwtnXC309YXKiMjv1qzKYh0JH5iIP3IX OEApA2j53_TqSjNg5cuNHYIx4UMrRS2ZN5ZxXrB_rBbBPr6tF51FQo2NOtlm wfBsnQYrOgjRI8nBKsWuin0rPDNjaycgQLnHhu4X1e3SNi_hrxYQ.htmU.oc AyrRCHlxq016pieoGROMaQ6nJDZ3IjQ-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: BeMCPs2swBABTJ3kAeEiC_hE0mz8jRexLddJfD8pI2j32fOacjBmXg-- Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 11:33:07 +0100 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: bootable ext. USB SSD for backup Message-ID: <20170317113307.2d3b290d@archlinux.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <20170317101705.0c6fcd49.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20170316194612.GA1748@c720-r314251> <20170317101705.0c6fcd49.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.14.1-19-ge7206c0 (GTK+ 2.24.31; x86_64-arch-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 10:35:57 -0000 On Fri, 17 Mar 2017 10:17:05 +0100, Polytropon wrote: >On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 19:47:52 -0700, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: >> I am sorry to respond with respect to Linux . [snip] >> When NTFS external disk is used , it is not necessary to "mount" it >> [snip]=20 > >That doesn't seem to look correct. FreeBSD needs to mount the >NTFS partition in order to access it. On Linux you need to mount it as well ;). Each OS needs to mount a partition, before it could access it. A lot of desktop environments might auto-mount ntfs partitions by default, especially when using so called "user-friendly" Linux distributions. =46rom a "clean" Linux, without having something like gvfs installed and without an fstab or systemd thingy mounting the ntfs partition at startup: [root@archlinux ~]# parted -l | head -28 | tail -7 Disk /dev/sdb: 500GB Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/512B Partition Table: msdos Disk Flags:=20 Number Start End Size Type File system Flags 1 32.3kB 22.0GB 22.0GB primary ntfs boot [root@archlinux ~]# mount | grep "/dev/sdb1 " [root@archlinux ~]# mkdir /tmp/foo [root@archlinux ~]# mount -wL xp /tmp/foo=20 [root@archlinux ~]# mount | grep "/dev/sdb1 " /dev/sdb1 on /tmp/foo type fuseblk (rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,user_id=3D0,= group_id=3D0,allow_other,blksize=3D4096) As you can see, I need to mount it. If I plug in an USB stick or insert a DVD, I need to manually mount it by command line, too. Sure, there are mechanisms available that could auto-mount an USB stick as well as a DVD, I'm just not using such things. Under the hood "user-friendly" Linux distributions auto-mount. A lot of Linux users simply don't understand the OS they are using. Regards, Ralf