From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 3 18:07:14 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DDE716A4CE for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 18:07:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from srv1.cosmo-project.de (srv1.cosmo-project.de [213.83.6.106]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9047E43D5F for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 18:07:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ticso@cicely12.cicely.de) Received: from cicely5.cicely.de (cicely5.cicely.de [10.1.1.7]) (authenticated bits=0)j23I6xHw001471 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Mar 2005 19:07:01 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ticso@cicely12.cicely.de) Received: from cicely12.cicely.de (cicely12.cicely.de [IPv6:3ffe:400:8d0:301::12]) by cicely5.cicely.de (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j23I6f55019509 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 3 Mar 2005 19:06:41 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ticso@cicely12.cicely.de) Received: from cicely12.cicely.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cicely12.cicely.de (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j23I6eaF012636; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 19:06:40 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ticso@cicely12.cicely.de) Received: (from ticso@localhost) by cicely12.cicely.de (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id j23I6cdV012635; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 19:06:38 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ticso) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 19:06:38 +0100 From: Bernd Walter To: Poul-Henning Kamp Message-ID: <20050303180637.GA86348@cicely12.cicely.de> References: <200503022115.j22LFnWk083926@marlena.vvi.at> <9678.1109872268@critter.freebsd.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <9678.1109872268@critter.freebsd.dk> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD cicely12.cicely.de 5.2-CURRENT alpha User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=no version=2.64 X-Spam-Report: * -4.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 0 to 1% * [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on cicely12.cicely.de cc: ALeine cc: tech-security@NetBSD.org cc: elric@imrryr.org cc: hackers@freebsd.org cc: ticso@cicely.de Subject: Re: FUD about CGD and GBDE X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: ticso@cicely.de List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 18:07:14 -0000 On Thu, Mar 03, 2005 at 06:51:08PM +0100, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > In message <200503022115.j22LFnWk083926@marlena.vvi.at>, "ALeine" writes: > >phk@phk.freebsd.dk wrote: > > > >> I gave up on journalling myself because IMO it complicates > >> things a lot and the problem it solves is very very small. > > > >If only hardware manufacturers were to equip hard drives with > >a mechanism to ensure atomic writes. > > I would prefer "If only some bloddy laywer would stop suing > any person who tries to market a NVRAM PCI card" :-( Damn - there is a patent or leagal restriction on something like that? Well - I think that many gbde users are running notebooks so it is required to be available in other form factors as well. I could imagine doing a USB full/high speed umass device. -- B.Walter BWCT http://www.bwct.de bernd@bwct.de info@bwct.de