From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 28 15:28:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: current@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A20307E9; Mon, 28 Oct 2013 15:28:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from julian@freebsd.org) Received: from vps1.elischer.org (vps1.elischer.org [204.109.63.16]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 748A82728; Mon, 28 Oct 2013 15:28:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from jre-mbp.elischer.org (ppp121-45-246-96.lns20.per2.internode.on.net [121.45.246.96]) (authenticated bits=0) by vps1.elischer.org (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id r9SFSCie015934 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 28 Oct 2013 08:28:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian@freebsd.org) Message-ID: <526E8287.8080609@freebsd.org> Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 23:28:07 +0800 From: Julian Elischer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.8; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gleb Smirnoff , current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: [heads up] axing AppleTalk and IPX/SPX References: <20131028124221.GO52889@glebius.int.ru> In-Reply-To: <20131028124221.GO52889@glebius.int.ru> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: stable@FreeBSD.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 15:28:17 -0000 On 10/28/13 8:42 PM, Gleb Smirnoff wrote: > Hello! > > [Cc to stable@, for wider audience] > > The plan is two axe two old networking protocols from FreeBSD head/, > meaning that FreeBSD 11.0-RELEASE, available in couple of years would > be shipped without them. > > 1) AppleTalk > > Last time claimed to be supported by vendor in 2007[1]. In practice > had very little use since 90th. > Discontinued by major routing equipment vendors since 2009[2]. I did a lot of work on this to get it going in the 90s but really it's only current value is as an example of a non-IP protocol. (and the same for IPX, which was what Novell used to use I believe.) I'd be pretty amazed to discover anyone still used either. ok I did see someone talking about IPX a while back but, really it should probably go.. the timeframe is good.. "shoot in 11" :-) > 2) IPX > > Last time claimed to be supported by vendor in 2007[3]. In practice > had very little use since 90th. > Discontinued by major routing equipment vendors since 2011[4]. > > Current status of these protocols in FreeBSD is "compilable". For the > next couple of years, we plan a lot of changes in networking stack, > many of which will require changing the protocols, as well. Keeping > them in compilable state would require additional manpower, but it > is very probable, that after all the changes they will be utterly > broken, albeit compilable. > > P.S. I account any objector as taker of maintainership :) > > [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X_v10.5 > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X_v10.6 > [2] http://www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/collateral/iosswrel/ps8802/ps5460/product_bulletin_c25-520459.html > [3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Enterprise_Server#OES-NetWare > [4] http://www.cisco.com/en/US/docs/ios/novipx/configuration/guide/Novell_IPX_Discontinuation.html >