From owner-freebsd-current Wed Oct 3 13:34:54 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from atg.aciworldwide.com (h139-142-180-4.gtcust.grouptelecom.net [139.142.180.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3B9437B408 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2001 13:34:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from atg.aciworldwide.com (atg.aciworldwide.com [139.142.180.33]) by atg.aciworldwide.com (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id f93KYp8f031893; Wed, 3 Oct 2001 14:34:51 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200110032034.f93KYp8f031893@atg.aciworldwide.com> Organization: ACI Worldwide - Advanced Technology Group X-URL: http://www.aciworldwide.com/ X-Notes-Item: Just say no to Notes! To: nate@yogotech.com (Nate Williams) Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: uucp user shell and home directory In-Reply-To: Message from Nate Williams of "Wed, 03 Oct 2001 14:12:25 MDT." <15291.28969.437046.367082@nomad.yogotech.com> Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 14:34:51 -0600 From: Lyndon Nerenberg Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Do you mean 'full-time IP connectivity', because if you can setup a UUCP > connection, you can just as easily setup a PPP connection over the same > medium, giving you IP connectivity. True, but there's a lot more infrastructure overhead involved in setting up a group of disconnected machines via dialup IP than there is connecting them via UUCP. And where dialup time is precious UUCP is the hands-down winner for not wasting any of that dialup resource. > therefore doesn't belong in the mainstream release. It *is* still > available as an add-on port, so those who need it can still get it So the base distribution contains /bin/sh, /sbin/init, and /sbin/pkg_add? Me, I like my bikesheds painted in white and green zebra stripes. > Finally, the security > issues make it a non-starter to keep in the default distribution. I would like to see evidence of where --config is *required* to make someone's UUCP setup work. And what percentage of the overall UUCP user population are represented by those people? I still contend the "problem" can be fixed by removing --config. While that fix will apparently impact some people, the impact of that fix is a lot lower than ripping out UUCP altogether. --lyndon We've heard that a million monkeys at a million keyboards could produce the Complete Works of Shakespeare; now, thanks to the Internet, we know this is not true. -- Robert Wilensky, University of California To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message