From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 27 03:46:38 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5FD05E1D; Fri, 27 Mar 2015 03:46:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ipmail05.adl6.internode.on.net (ipmail05.adl6.internode.on.net [150.101.137.143]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8E7BAA8; Fri, 27 Mar 2015 03:46:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ppp121-45-104-240.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net (HELO midget.dons.net.au) ([121.45.104.240]) by ipmail05.adl6.internode.on.net with ESMTP; 27 Mar 2015 14:12:41 +1030 Received: from [10.0.2.26] ([10.0.2.26]) (authenticated bits=0) by midget.dons.net.au (8.15.1/8.14.9) with ESMTPSA id t2R3gZGF069382 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 27 Mar 2015 14:12:40 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from darius@dons.net.au) Subject: Re: Seagate Archive HDD Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2070.6\)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 From: "O'Connor, Daniel" In-Reply-To: <5514D0A9.1040106@delphij.net> Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2015 14:12:34 +1030 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <55148E42.80708@delphij.net> <4F65B315-5FFE-4184-91FD-C05A40E0A26E@dons.net.au> <5514A133.8060409@delphij.net> <88DE4F68-B05E-4E4D-8C4A-DED8147172E7@dons.net.au> <5514D0A9.1040106@delphij.net> To: Xin Li X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2070.6) X-Spam-Score: -2.899 () ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00,URIBL_BLOCKED X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 on 10.0.2.1 Cc: "freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org" , Adrian Chadd , Xin LI , Wojciech Puchar X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2015 03:46:38 -0000 > On 27 Mar 2015, at 14:08, Xin Li wrote: > On 3/26/15 17:58, Adrian Chadd wrote: >> ... all the talk about this stuff, and yet noone's talked about >> how ZFS is supposed to be append only, and boy wouldn't that be >> awesome. :) >=20 > It doesn't overwrite existing data with the assumption that a, let's > say, 4K-native drive doesn't have a 1MB "band" when writing. >=20 > I hope the "journal" would be helpful for this assuming it is on > non-volatile medium... The journal for the existing drives appears to be on the actual platter = (but not shingled obviously). This gives from pretty suboptimal write latency as you can probably = imagine.. -- Daniel O'Connor "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum GPG Fingerprint - 5596 B766 97C0 0E94 4347 295E E593 DC20 7B3F CE8C