From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 13 16:48:00 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCF3D16A4B3 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 16:48:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fubar.adept.org (fubar.adept.org [63.147.172.249]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EB5943F75 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 16:47:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@adept.org) Received: by fubar.adept.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 5A14615227; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 16:47:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fubar.adept.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 552CB15226 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 16:47:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 16:47:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Hoskins To: advocacy@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <200310131040.34605.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> Message-ID: <20031013164336.F82067@fubar.adept.org> References: <20031011173842.97043.qmail@web10101.mail.yahoo.com> <200310131040.34605.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: A case of FreeBSD users shooting all FreeBSD users in the foot? X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 23:48:00 -0000 On Mon, 13 Oct 2003, Johnson David wrote: > The author had a decent *NIX pedigree, but parts of his tale where just > bizarre. He never installed the Linux compatibility package, then > proceeded to complain that Linux compatibility didn't work. This > trickled over into complaints that OpenOffice for Linux didn't work, > and that printing in general was a nightmare because he installed the > Linux CUPS package instead of the native version. And his account of > sysinstall wiping out his logs is downright puzzling. these kinds of reports crop up all the time. linux users reporting on first-time BSD expereiences, and vice versa. a lot of these reports came out back in the "BSD vs. Linux" days when linux gurus would misconfigure BSD servers in "performance tests". the point is, don't whine if you don't know what you're doing... if you know what you're doing, and you've verified you're jumping through the correct hoops... sure, provide feedback to help everyone. complaining without actually configuring the system properly really only makes you look like a fool. but, along the user friendliness line, i guess some would argue even a fool should be able to install/use/administer our OS. as such, i guess the report can at least be used to figure out ways we can point lazy (i know the guy isn't clueless based upon reputation, but he has to be lazy if he couldn't even figure out linux emulation) users in the right direction for common "newbie" tasks. then again, reading the docs would have answered most/all of his questions. what else is new. -mrh -- From: "Spam Catcher" To: spam-catcher@adept.org Do NOT send email to the address listed above or you will be added to a blacklist!