From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 14:53:17 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0997616A4CE for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 14:53:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.203]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59CBC43D3F for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 14:53:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from astrodog@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 69so301862wra for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 06:53:15 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=WiG6kxlZBU9o5TFyO5HvLpMXYjeoGB641SbYEZ9JKxd8COkH98DfK0dEivxCOR2LsKoB0iywWH+iZYEFlywluo5ecyWeerlQvZPgk6n9lFKvm3wOiQm6utpVb+aSEuU/IEG6/Z272eiW6IYZMkWZu0FKNRGkFIeqM1E+Ux1FGgY= Received: by 10.54.41.64 with SMTP id o64mr38748wro; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 06:53:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.40.69 with HTTP; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 06:53:15 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <2fd864e05021106537bdcff09@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 06:53:15 -0800 From: Astrodog To: "Devon H. O'Dell" In-Reply-To: <1108126229.4084.43.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <1108126229.4084.43.camel@localhost.localdomain> cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org cc: Robert Watson Subject: Re: freebsd.com X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Astrodog List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 14:53:17 -0000 On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 13:50:29 +0100, Devon H. O'Dell wrote: > On Fri, 2005-02-11 at 12:41 +0000, Robert Watson wrote: > > On Thu, 10 Feb 2005, Julio Capote wrote: > > > > > I think that the entire point of an IT deptartment, is to provide that > > > "geek abstraction"; no CEO goes to www.linux.com and decides to go with > > > linux for thier infastructure. They ask thier IT deptartment to make > > > those decisions. On the same token, no small business owner/executive is > > > going to goto www.freebsd.com and download an iso and install it on all > > > thier servers based on some marketing hype. Sites like www.redhat.com > > > are an exception because they are indeed a commercial entity that sells > > > services/products based on Linux, Freebsd has no such entity. > > > > I don't know if I buy into "FreeBSD.com" or not, but I do buy into the > > idea that what we need to do is provide ammunition for IT departments that > > want to promote FreeBSD in their organization. I.e., white papers on > > FreeBSD as an effective solution, a professional front page that they can > > point at and say "Look, this is real", and material to help third party > > CDROM and support vendors provide FreeBSD support to their clients. The > > trick will be finding the right balance in not hiding the fact that one of > > the greatest assets of FreeBSD is that it's driven by developers who are > > also consumers, but provides help to people who want to sell FreeBSD as > > the professional product that it is. > > > > An idea that's been thrown around by a number of people at various points > > is to produce a set of short, professional-looking, white papers on > > FreeBSD use in various environments -- FreeBSD in the computation cluster, > > FreeBSD as an enterprise mail solution, FreeBSD for web clusters, FreeBSD > > as the foundation for an appliance, and so on. Something that an IT > > department can take to their director/etc saying "This is a recognized > > solution -- it works for these people, it will work for us". > > > > Robert N M Watson > > I'm actually busy with a couple of whitepapers for some of these subject > for work. I'll see if I can come up with a convincing layout and perhaps > if others contribute, we can get an officially endorsed site. > > We do need something to show that FreeBSD is a powerful tool in > commercial areas, and I agree that a site to show that is a good > solution. Especially if we have backing from the kind folk from the > FreeBSD core :) > > Kind regards, > > Devon H. O'Dell > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > I think we may be ending up with 2 groups looking at the same set of work. We have a thread going as "Business Information" on this very topic, somwhat. If you guys wouldn't mind, let me know your thoughts on where it seems to be going. --- Harrison Grundy