From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 29 18:21:23 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from et-gw.etinc.com (et-gw.etinc.com [207.252.1.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC6DE37B719 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 18:21:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dennis@etinc.com) Received: from dbsys.etinc.com (dbsys.etinc.com [207.252.1.18]) by et-gw.etinc.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA02421; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 21:22:13 GMT (envelope-from dennis@etinc.com) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.0.20010329212102.03dc5ac0@mail.etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@mail.etinc.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 21:40:05 -0500 To: Soren Kristensen From: Dennis Subject: Re: if_fxp - the real point Cc: Chris Dillon , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <3AC3D152.7D0FD148@soekris.com> References: <5.0.0.25.0.20010328165848.03e9bcd0@mail.etinc.com> <5.0.0.25.0.20010329183557.030eeda0@mail.etinc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 07:20 PM 03/29/2001, Soren Kristensen wrote: >Sorry everybody, I have to express my opinion now. > >Dennis, it seems like that you keep repeating yourself here.... >And you keep being wrong. As a hardware designer myself, I can >assure you that there is no connection between hardware quality >and level of documentation. > >And having fought with Intel getting documentation myself on other >parts, I have long time ago decided to only use Intel parts if I >really have to, just like more and more engineers decides. Im sure that Intel is really sweating over your decision. Using yourself as an example was brilliant. YOU are exactly the kind of engineer/company that I am talking about. YOU will release your design specs so the FreeBSD community will get to use your hardware instead of intels. Wooopee do. >Most other vendors, incl the best ones, don't have any problem >releasing full documentation. 3com never has, nor has intel,and they generally are considered top vendors. Still zero valid points. Dlink and realtek are clone vendors, as are kingston and most others. The 2 market leaders dont release their docs. >Intel just don't get it, they had had that arrogant attitude for >years, and now that they don't own the PC market anymore, they're >going to pay for it. You, my friend, are a joke. Im sorry (other list members)...do you have any clue how much money intel makes, and how insignificant your (wrong) opinion is to them? and, while I dont have the actual numbers, I'll bet that intel and 3com have well over 50% of the linux/BSD free software market without releasing their docs. Why? because they make good, cheap boards that are available from many sources worldwide. do you want to take that away from BSD users by "boycotting" their hardware? why cant this thread just die? db To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message