From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 3 12:12:16 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEA361065670 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 12:12:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roquesor@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f54.google.com (mail-lpp01m010-f54.google.com [209.85.215.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F01C8FC14 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 12:12:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: by lahl5 with SMTP id l5so8659501lah.13 for ; Tue, 03 Jan 2012 04:12:15 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=bAITxAWjNvf0YrIWSyAUUWQpMNkphsg7Ohc5QMShjFU=; b=jvboIm3JCAV+BygARgNa2src9vRA9GqIz6V7zPsu2LA/NI8xKgzMqzY2clweLxQJeq 3xuG3Ilsbjb9PNl3eJ6oWxZeiNgi5dBc2lSdljbxrMLyMkC2q1kCapGB788oS49uB84Y tPLagMjdcpWdCsIgUfPjBzBJefGRhUMBXcCIk= Received: by 10.152.148.227 with SMTP id tv3mr23436531lab.15.1325592735087; Tue, 03 Jan 2012 04:12:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (45.Red-88-9-115.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net. [88.9.115.45]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id st7sm42569024lab.12.2012.01.03.04.12.13 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 03 Jan 2012 04:12:14 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 13:12:11 +0100 From: Walter Alejandro Iglesias To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120103121211.GA1375@chancha.local> References: <4EFF94CA.3050304@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120101064247.3e8b0b56@scorpio> <4F00580D.1060208@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120101091420.117aa8f3@scorpio> <20120102065526.GA16481@hemlock.hydra> <20120102083114.6c09d839@scorpio> <20120102193319.GA31717@hemlock.hydra> <20120103020611.GA22209@chancha.local> <4F02A306.5060501@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4F02A306.5060501@herveybayaustralia.com.au> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Subject: Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 12:12:17 -0000 On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 04:41:10PM +1000, Da Rock wrote: > New users are nearly always dismayed at the apparent difficulty of > things, and should be warned that they will need to do some work "under > the hood" in order to get what they want. The honesty can start > immediately, it doesn't necessarily have to be a goal. When people think in freedom, think in rights. And rights are something that some "authority" give or steal. Multinationals think in what is good to sell. People like "comfort" over all. The taste of people is fantastically represented in the Wall-E movie; to "arise and walk" is not considered a right. Futurist?, my father, thirty years ago, to go to the corner to buy cigarettes, took the car; today he has half body paralyzed by an hemiplegia, and perhaps one day to arise and walk will not be a right for him. Let's avoid talking about non trivial tasks like hacking a kernel; for example, to copy or move a file you are free to choose between drag and drop with your mouse in a graphical file manager and open a console and use the command line, even in MS Windows. My wife, in case Finder.app crash, she reboot the machine. She ignores if an usb memory is filled up with hidden files used by Mac OS X; she ignores that files copied from a fat file system have executable flag on so she could resend an infected jpeg in an email to a MS Windows user customer. Furthermore she is not a good example of the average final user, because the machine for her (she is a graphical designer) is a tool, not a toy. The question is which immoral entity is stealing her rights? In an emacs mailing list I told Stallman that to teach people to be free is a contradiction. He called me "defeatist". Walter