From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Sep 4 9:42: 1 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA02B37B405 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 09:41:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from williams.mc.vanderbilt.edu (williams.mc.Vanderbilt.Edu [160.129.208.222]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8603C43E72 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 09:41:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from drew-list-freebsd-chat@rain3s.net) Received: (qmail 5318 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2002 16:42:30 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO williams.mc.vanderbilt.edu) (127.0.0.1) by williams.mc.vanderbilt.edu with SMTP; 4 Sep 2002 16:42:30 -0000 Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 11:42:28 -0500 To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Why did evolution fail? Message-ID: <20020904164228.GC4470@drew.rain3s.net> References: <20020831093523.G8288-100000@Tolstoy.home.lan> <3D756B53.173640C0@mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3D756B53.173640C0@mindspring.com> From: Drew Raines Mail-Followup-To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.62+ Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Terry Lambert wrote: > > "Neal E. Westfall" wrote: > > > > Hence, as a previous poster pointed out, the governing > > authorities (whether Christian, or pagan) are ministers of > > God's wrath. > > By virtue of a popular election? I didn't realize that God > had deputized the population with the power to deputize > people to act on His behalf. After God led the Israelites out of Egypt, he clothed Moses and Aaron with ``holy garments,'' ``for glory and for beauty'' so that they could ``minister as priest[s] to [God]'' (Ex 28:1-2). These garments included a breastplate, vest, robe, tunic, turban and a sash. In that whole chapter, God details the ornate decor of these clothes to Moses, then later tells him that Aaron and his sons will wear them ``that they may serve Me as priests'' (v 41). God established an order for which man was to serve him, and these men were the main contact points. In the New Testament, Paul told the Ephesians about a new wardrobe. A Christian isn't marked by what he wears, but by faith working through love. Paul wrote of the ``breastplate of righteousness,'' ``shoes of the Gospel,'' ``shield of faith,'' ``helmet of salvation,'' and the ``sword of the Spirit (the word of God; the Bible).'' Any person who believes that Jesus, both fully God and fully human, is the Son of God and died for his sin, is a part of the eternal ``royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for God's own possession'' (1 Pet 2:9). God didn't deputize the population; he deputized believers in Christ to act on his behalf. Jesus' death on the cross was /the/ crucial event in history where ``the veil of temple was torn in two from top to bottom'' (Mark 15:38). No more sacrificing spotless lambs and spreading its blood over doorposts to gain righteousness. Christ has made the believer righteous because *he* is the spotless lamb whose blood covered the believer's sin. > > Yes, but this is all beside the point. It is purely > > descriptive. To what ends *should* society be seeking? > > IMO? The advancement of human knowledge. OK, but I would make sure that knowledge grows in the right context. The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge; (Prov 1:7) Let not a wise man boast of his wisdom, and let not the mighty man boast of his might, let not a rich man boast of his riches; but let him who boasts boast of this, that he understands and knows Me, that I am the Lord who exercises loving kindness, justice, and righteousness on earth; for I delight in these things. (Jer 9:23,24) > If nothing else, we will end up finding the answer to the > question os what ends society should be seeking, and, most > importantly, not be able to falsify the idea that we have > discovered the answer. There is a way which seems right to a man, but its end is the way of death. (Prov 14:12) We need God. Without him we are lost. Man cannot fend for itself. We are scrambling around trying to create standards when we should be living by the standard already set: Truth. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message