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Date:      Fri, 19 Jun 2015 11:02:21 -0400
From:      "Michael B. Eichorn" <ike@michaeleichorn.com>
To:        Da Rock <freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au>,  freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: ZFS passdevgonecb
Message-ID:  <1434726141.6154.34.camel@michaeleichorn.com>
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On Fri, 2015-06-19 at 18:41 +1000, Da Rock wrote:
> Ok, top posting as a summary really - numerous threads of thought going=
=20
> on now.
>=20
> First, that ggatel and mountver workaround - how does zfs take that? Is=
=20
> it possible zfs will have a dummy spit if this is between it writing to=
=20
> the drive? I'd assume not given it can use a md device as a vnode, but=
=20
> doesn't hurt to ask.
Zfs really expects to talk to real disks. It is possible to mess with it bu=
t you
are probably risking your data. I wouldn't go for it.
>=20
> Second, I've tried another drive and still the same issue; also.swapped=
=20
> cable, and still errors. So a controller test would be ideal - or a new=
=20
> system is in order :)
=46rom what I hear most problems are the controllers unless you have a disk t=
rying
to power-save without being told (see next).
>=20
> Third, that consumer/raid drive difference seems a bit dodgy doesn't it?=
=20
> :) Appears they're basically forcing you to pay up for the privilege...=
=20
> wouldn't surprise me! Regardless, though, how does that stack up in an=
=20
> ordinary situation? I doubt you'd have a raid certified drive in a=20
> desktop to play games or edit home movies, and in that scenario it would=
=20
> spak out as the only drive in the system and probably crash, wouldn't=20
> it? Or am I not thinking it through properly? Possible given the amount=
=20
> of sleep I've had lately...
There are a few levels of drives these days. There are the enterprise grade
drives that can take a bit more heat and have a longer mean time to failure=
.
These drive have tighter manufacturing tolerances and cost lots more. Then =
there
are NAS/RAID consumer drives that are made to about the same tolerances as =
a
desktop drive but have a few modifications for a 24/7 workload. Typical des=
ktop
drives are not actually designed for 24/7 operation.

Then there is the firmware, some drives designed for 'green-ness' try to sp=
in
down and do other things to save power, with a typical Windows desktop this=
 is
probably good.  However zfs (and most raids) expect the drive to do nothing
without being told since zfs knows more than any firmware could.

Frankly for most small-business and home loads WD Red Drives + zfs is enoug=
h for
servers. I don't even put spinning rust in desktops anymore SSD + a network
drive is enough for non-workstation tasks.


But anyway if you are still haveing problems go get in touch with allanjude=
@ he
just co-authored "FreeBSD Mastery: ZFS" with Michael Lucas and is right NOW
looking for case studies in fixing ZFS problems for the second volume.

> Thanks for the brainstorming help guys.
>=20
>=20
> On 06/18/15 05:24, Michael Powell wrote:
> > Da Rock wrote:
> >=20
> > > I hate jumping in like this out of the blue, but time is not on my si=
de
> > > atm with a lot going on.
> > >=20
> > > I have a problem with some devices disappearing on various versions o=
f
> > > FreeBSD and machines (laptops, workstations/servers). Umass are the
> > > norm, with the message occurring most on usb sticks and sd cards.
> > >=20
> > > Big problem atm is that my file server has a failed disk in the raid,
> > > and I've tried replacing it with a new drive (twice now), and both ti=
mes
> > > it begins to resilver and then it is "REMOVED". If I online it again,=
 it
> > > goes for about 10mins then REMOVED again.
> > >=20
> > > Dmesg shows that the device is removed from the devfs with a
> > > passdevgonecb/lost device message. This apparently occurs right at bo=
ot
> > > too, as it shows amongst the usual scrolling during boot.
> > >=20
> > > I had a chat with someone and they mentioned the cable and/or control=
ler
> > > could be the issue. Could anyone add any insight or tests I could do?
> > > I'm not exactly claim to be an expert at zfs, so maybe something migh=
t
> > > need addressing there too.
> > >=20
> > > I'd particularly appreciate a means of testing the controller.
> > >=20
> > > ATM the main theory is to replace the board - not a happy thought! :/
> > >=20
> > Another item to consider, even if only to exclude it, is: what kind of
> > drives are these? Are they server RAID certified or are they 'consumer'
> > desktop types. RAID certified are designed to time-limit attempts at er=
ror
> > recovery. There is a window in time that if a consumer drive takes too =
long
> > at internal ECC the controller will drop it. Doubt this is your case, I=
 bet
> > you have server drives. I just mention it because using consumer deskto=
p
> > drives on RAID controllers can sometimes be problematic.
> >=20
> > -Mike
> >=20
> >=20
> >=20
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