From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 2 09:02:46 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4C0BCC18; Thu, 2 Apr 2015 09:02:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.turbocat.net (mail.turbocat.net [IPv6:2a01:4f8:d16:4514::2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 08FB7F3; Thu, 2 Apr 2015 09:02:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from laptop015.home.selasky.org (cm-176.74.213.204.customer.telag.net [176.74.213.204]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.turbocat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9451E1FE022; Thu, 2 Apr 2015 11:02:42 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <551D05DE.3070200@selasky.org> Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2015 11:03:26 +0200 From: Hans Petter Selasky User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Eitan Adler , FreeBSD Hackers , freebsd-current Current Subject: Re: Bazaaring the cathedral (Lowering the Barrier to Entry) References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2015 09:02:46 -0000 On 04/01/15 18:55, Eitan Adler wrote: > One of the key reasons for the lack of people is the high barrier of > entry to joining the FreeBSD project. While every modern project uses > git (usually hosted on github), FreeBSD uses self-hosted subversion. > The use of git goes beyond just the choice of version control. It > allows for workflows that FreeBSD can't even dream of. The linux > kernel has no concept of a committer. Instead anyone can clone the > git tree, build a kernel, and call themselves a Linux distribution. Hi Eitan, Before you speak so nicely about how Linux is doing things, have you ever tried to submit a patch to Linux yourself? I have a bunch of candidates in /usr/ports/multimedia/webcamd/work/webcamd-3.18.0.1/patches (Use this latest tarball: http://home.selasky.org:8192/distfiles/webcamd-4.0.0.2.tar.bz2) which you can start with as a fun experiment ! And then write back when your done. I'm starting counting right now. I have ported a lot of Linux USB drivers to userspace in FreeBSD through the webcamd project, and quite frequently I need to make patches to make the code compile which really should be up-streamed. Sometimes I also find real bugs. Sending the patch to Linux-USB is easy. Getting attention to the patch is hard. Frequent roadblocks in the Linux-USB: - patch must be styled correctly - patch must be send using a certain e-mail program - patch must apply cleanly to the Linux GIT - patch must have a signed-off-by before it can be committed Speaking about USB I don't want FreeBSD-USB to become what Linux-USB is. There are so many mails flowing into Linux-USB every day that no-one is caring to read it all. Getting a decent reply from someone can take months, because of the huge amount of e-mails. --HPS