From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 6 23:13:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EEC216A41F for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 23:13:51 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nalists@scls.lib.wi.us) Received: from mail.scls.lib.wi.us (mail.scls.lib.wi.us [198.150.40.25]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C83A843D46 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 23:13:50 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nalists@scls.lib.wi.us) Received: from [172.26.2.238] ([172.26.2.238]) by mail.scls.lib.wi.us (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j96NDnG1065663; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 18:13:49 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from nalists@scls.lib.wi.us) Message-ID: <4345AFAD.9090004@scls.lib.wi.us> Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 18:13:49 -0500 From: Greg Barniskis User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dan Ponte References: <43455D3E.5040007@mbnet.fi> <20051006204336.GA36557@neptune.atopia.net> <43459BEB.2090503@scls.lib.wi.us> <20051006221820.GB38659@neptune.atopia.net> In-Reply-To: <20051006221820.GB38659@neptune.atopia.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: new FreeBSD-webpage X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 23:13:51 -0000 Dan Ponte wrote: >>I doubt the primary goal here >>was to appear trendy. > > > Well, it certainly seems as if that was one of the goals, seeing how the > new site uses quite a few new webdesign concepts that came into > existence in the past few years, while providing little benefit in the > way of content or usability. well, usability is not an entirely objective measure, but there are objective aspects to it. Like, not having to scroll to find crucial navigation links and the Search box, or to see what the latest security advisory was. Like, reducing 20-30 headings in big "stacks" to clearly bounded clusters of "7 +/- 2", fostering rapid understanding. I think usability is measurably up. I suppose in sense it does break down in a way that the old site was "more usable" for experts (usable once one had studied on it awhile, that is), while the new layout might be more usable for newbies. But that doesn't mean it was "for newbies". I like it, and I've been poking at the web site for a decade now. I was put off for maybe 15 secs the first time I looked at it, then I started to accept and appreciate (aw, who can resist that big smilin' Beastie ;). It's got some quirks. I'm seeing some more things suffer from fixed widths (and fixed heights, like the mirror selector widget -- px is just not the most user-friendly unit of measure), but the path it's on seems a good one. Like Kris said, if you've got a specific problem, constructively suggest a specific solution (other than just reverting). -- Greg Barniskis, Computer Systems Integrator South Central Library System (SCLS) Library Interchange Network (LINK) , (608) 266-6348