From owner-cvs-all Wed Dec 9 21:24:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA01875 for cvs-all-outgoing; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 21:24:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA01867; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 21:24:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id PAA03094; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 15:42:50 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) id PAA35556; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 15:42:34 +1030 (CST) Message-ID: <19981210154234.D12688@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 15:42:34 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Joseph Koshy , eivind@hub.freebsd.org Cc: committers@hub.freebsd.org, vanmaren@fast.cs.utah.edu Subject: Re: Swat teams (was: problem reports) References: <199812100432.VAA58834@harmony.village.org> <199812100507.VAA29831@hub.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <199812100507.VAA29831@hub.freebsd.org>; from Joseph Koshy on Wed, Dec 09, 1998 at 09:07:58PM -0800 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Wednesday, 9 December 1998 at 21:07:58 -0800, Joseph Koshy wrote: > >> In message <19981210043511.S15330@follo.net> Eivind Eklund writes: >> : So - count me among the replies :-) > > Me too. I've been doing some of this already albeit at a slow rate, so > please count me in for the SWAT effort. > > One thing I would like to caution folks is not to underestimate the time it > takes to understand the PR, debug the submitted patches, test and commit > the changes. Well, it looks like I'm getting my 5 replies together. >From what I've seen, the big problem is not the cases where people submit patches, but where they submit PRs with no fix and with hardly enough information to guess what the problem is (or even if there is a problem). That's certainly what I found at Tandem, when I was insulated from the customers by a layer of supposedly intelligent and educuated ``analysts''. Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe cvs-all" in the body of the message