From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 13 14:59:09 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 277D5B42 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 14:59:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yh0-x22f.google.com (mail-yh0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c01::22f]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D4B63605 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 14:59:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-yh0-f47.google.com with SMTP id i57so2245670yha.6 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 06:59:08 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=ymZ6d5SMOhfD9s09/Pi05DG+OgtY/9YaGx5Neys7GCI=; b=AUTAJieMSFnt8yJkxKVXvhj4M8cnLQ+u9BAQO9J2HGo012xAO5I+nCPDpxcU5rPJto 4QU7yDEQ6W3KYdu+EUWw9/dqsg6ZVPuNp4VAaVh6uv4bXcz0STWPIqehxnS5/Q4LCffX F+hC43qyZrXfnRGI+rXbK8ZgEHwsJu1riCVz13zzQOYQSP8wjzga9E2kcDcoj/jsP3Is 8pVhUHVmeYz9rR5M8pppNbHHuUDswvqAHi+0R29wJArNg4uY6VdHqyGTr6gwKcGsz2NY D2BuGDUIIWXsjm8HdfSSu4dsigr6fgT+/Cl4PZsqlbvR//pRVtvUyNbpUamA2nthH4jr I1rw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.170.128.9 with SMTP id u9mr3509349ykb.51.1415890747934; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 06:59:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.170.156.139 with HTTP; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 06:59:07 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20141109204748.db54a1cc.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <545ED36B.8040207@gmail.com> <545F5AD6.6000404@FreeBSD.org> <545F7B85.1050900@qeng-ho.org> <3272471.UYQ3DxhorQ@curlew.lan> <20141109204748.db54a1cc.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 14:59:07 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Where do user files go these days? From: krad To: Polytropon Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 Cc: Mike Clarke , FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 14:59:09 -0000 I dont even see the point of /usr any more when you are talking about BE's, /usr/local is also questionable to be outside of the BE if all it contains in binaries and config On 9 November 2014 19:47, Polytropon wrote: > On Sun, 09 Nov 2014 15:30:10 +0000, Mike Clarke wrote: > > I've never understood the logic of putting /home under /usr. If you > > ever needed to do a fresh install from scratch it would be all too > > easy to wipe out all of home when you delete the original contents of > > /usr. > > Exactly, that is a problem to expect. I think this idea > comes from the "fixed partition size at initialization" > paradigm where you had to choose how big each partition > should be, and you could not create more than a - h partitions > (in the MBR manner). So you thought: / is that big, then > add swap, /var should be limited to so and so, and the > rest - well, that will be for installed applications and > user files, because we don't know how big they might get. > If we make /usr too small, we'll run out of space, and > if /home is full, well, users can't store any more data... > > With GPT and "numerical partitions", this problem does > not apply anymore. ZFS can also deal perfectly fine with > varying numbers of partitions of varying size. > > And hard disks are also big and cheap. :-) > > > > > It goes against the FreeBSD approach of /usr containing material > > for the base system and /usr/local for the rest. It might have been > > more appropriate to have /usr/local/home but still far safer to have a > > top level /home directory. > > By "deduction" (applied from "man hier"), /usr/local is > for installed applications which are managed by the system's > package maintaining means (ports collection, pkg, portmaster, > whatever you want). But user files are _not_ subject to > that maintaining, so they should not be in there. > > (That is _one_ possible way of interpretation.) > > > > > > -- > Polytropon > Magdeburg, Germany > Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 > Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >