From nobody Sun Mar 27 21:25:32 2022 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E58E1A45710 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2022 21:25:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4dd0002a8f540.80444c4b419efe561870c22c3ebab91d@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4KRTQK5qb7z3HWm for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2022 21:25:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4dd0002a8f540.80444c4b419efe561870c22c3ebab91d@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1648416346; x=1651008346; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date:x-thread-info:subject:to:from:cc:reply-to; bh=fi+wNoU+0CHbkyPcdUq+CVgaLP6m8H1biHHHi1mgF+A=; b=ENUw/q/NREWDNwerGAeKMps+G8LD29UMamFeDxTAFNAvddPFM0TkBgd63Q/RwJ2l772Y6LXaI5TI6wxzWZThdO5GbXNcAn3uZkgVGjunmJy0udWxc+GlGAPwIH3yN8/DyldH3NIDEmjR+Aut9qWkYCKKEI1jivAeOhz0XDlkXNs= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi4xZDRkZDAwMDJhOGY1NDAuZnJlZWJzZC1xdWVzdGlvbnM9ZnJlZWJzZC5vcmc= Received: from r3.us-west-2.aws.in.socketlabs.com (r3.us-west-2.aws.in.socketlabs.com [142.0.190.3]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Sun, 27 Mar 2022 17:25:36 -0400 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [185.202.17.215]) by r3.us-west-2.aws.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Sun, 27 Mar 2022 17:25:34 -0400 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.94.2 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1nYaOC-0000KD-QZ; Sun, 27 Mar 2022 22:25:32 +0100 Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2022 22:25:32 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: questions@freebsd.org Cc: User questions Subject: Re: Using a FreeBSD desktop was somehting about dog food Message-Id: <20220327222532.da31d267c343b02207c5c991@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <20220327102810.00000e6d@seibercom.net> References: <38b7f44-6d54-fec6-c1f0-d3609d301687@safeport.com> <20220327081341.ef6a08004fb6986edf1b941e@sohara.org> <20220327102810.00000e6d@seibercom.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd13.0) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4KRTQK5qb7z3HWm X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=email-od.com header.s=dkim header.b="ENUw/q/N"; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of 4250.82.1d4dd0002a8f540.80444c4b419efe561870c22c3ebab91d@email-od.com designates 142.0.176.198 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=4250.82.1d4dd0002a8f540.80444c4b419efe561870c22c3ebab91d@email-od.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.71 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.95)[-0.951]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[email-od.com:s=dkim]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:142.0.176.0/20:c]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sohara.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.999]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.94)[0.944]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[email-od.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[142.0.190.3:received]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d4dd0002a8f540.80444c4b419efe561870c22c3ebab91d@email-od.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d4dd0002a8f540.80444c4b419efe561870c22c3ebab91d@email-od.com]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[email-od.com:dkim] X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On Sun, 27 Mar 2022 10:28:10 -0400 Jerry Seibert wrote: > As I see it, FreeBSD will be relegated to the back of the pack for home > use. I do not know a single business, at least a fortune 500, or any > municipality that uses FreeBSD for their office PCs. If FreeBSD wants > to stay relevant in the home market, they need to up their game and The "home market" has *never* been the focus of FreeBSD and FreeBSD has been falling behind in it since around 1993. We've been being told that FreeBSD is dead and been supplanted by Linux since around 1997. Strangely the dying FreeBSD project seems to have more resources and more developers than it did when it was the powerhouse behind Yahoo!, Hotmail, Walnut Creek CDROM et al. FreeBSD makes fine servers and workstations, and has superb long term maintainability. To me these things are more important than having support for the latest undocumented hardware. Others have different needs and values and make different choices. What would be the point of making FreeBSD indistinguishable from Linux or MacOS or Windows or Z/OS or ... Far better that FreeBSD be what it is and keep on doing what it does best. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith