From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Mar 30 17: 3: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mta2.rcsntx.swbell.net (mta2.rcsntx.swbell.net [151.164.30.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEE2237C28E for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 17:02:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from noslenj@swbell.net) Received: from acp.swbell.net ([209.184.1.6]) by mta2.rcsntx.swbell.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with ESMTP id <0FS9007L8HKM09@mta2.rcsntx.swbell.net> for freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 19:02:48 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (noslenj@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by acp.swbell.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA00770; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 19:01:44 -0600 (CST envelope-from noslenj@swbell.net) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 19:01:44 -0600 (CST) From: Jay Nelson Subject: Re: Guns and freedom [Was: Re: On "intelligent people" and"dangers to BSD"] In-reply-to: <38E2CE94.915116A6@mail.ptd.net> To: "Thomas M. Sommers" Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 29 Mar 2000, Thomas M. Sommers wrote: >Jay Nelson wrote: >> >> With greater odds, Victor Charlie cleaned our collective clock. > >They didn't clean our clocks. After Tet '68 they were done as an >effective fighting force. What they and their friends and allies did do >was make the cost to us of winning higher than we were willing to pay. >The results on the ground may be the same as if we had had our clocks >cleaned, but the lessons learned are very different. I suspect you're right. Fleeing the top of the embassy leaving many behind indicates a high cost. I suspect the differences don't mean much to Charlie. From '68 to 75, their ineffectiveness accomplished the goal. Do you see any differences in today's US govt than then? -- Jay To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message