From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 1:21:48 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from rutger.owt.com (rutger.owt.com [204.118.6.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41A3937B405 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 01:21:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from owt.com (owt-207-41-94-232.owt.com [207.41.94.232]) by rutger.owt.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA26674; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 01:21:40 -0800 Message-ID: <3C02099C.3080102@owt.com> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 01:21:32 -0800 From: Kent Stewart User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Martin Karlsson Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: this spam References: <20011125224515.WGVK6448.femail43.sdc1.sfba.home.com@tspivey8> <008901c17641$8d338440$2a7627cb@bytecraft.au.com> <20011126100247.A938@foo31-249.visit.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Martin Karlsson wrote: > A few short (OT) questions: Why do spammers spam? I mean, people do not > buy "products" from the guy who sent them spam, do they? (please tell me > they don't...) So, how do spammers make enough money to be able to keep > on spamming? > Your thoughts on this would be much appreciated. > Considering how easy it is to track them down, I don't understand either. If everyone that received a spam, looked at the headers and responded to each message, the people that do this would be inundated in messages to abuse@... It would be a reverse DoS. The http oriented http://www.arin.net/whois/ makes it even easier because they will even point you to apnic or ripe depending on where the message originated. I have one spammer that is using phoenix.dnscamp.com. Dnscamp.com is a Australian domain; however, if you use a traceroute IP, I found that phoenix.dnscamp.com was attached to alter.net in the USA. My attitude is that it is a theft of service and approach it like some one stole something from me. They really did because I have to invest time to track them down and that time is lost forever. If you let the harmless looking ones get away with it, you lose down the road. I figure you have to track them all down. They really should consider me a anti-spam activist. If my replies bounce, I get even more interested in tracking them down. The ultimate story is still http://belps.freewebsites.com/index2.htm, which is the site "Behind Enemy Lines -...". Kent -- Kent Stewart Richland, WA It is hard to believe you are soaring with Eagles when you accept SPAM like a mouse. mailto:kbstew99@hotmail.com http://users.owt.com/kstewart/index.html FreeBSD News http://daily.daemonnews.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message