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Date:      Tue, 15 Jan 2002 09:00:03 -0800 (PST)
From:      Ruslan Ermilov <ru@FreeBSD.org>
To:        freebsd-bugs@FreeBSD.org
Subject:   Re: misc/33906: tic program is missing from the base FreeBSD installation
Message-ID:  <200201151700.g0FH03U69092@freefall.freebsd.org>

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The following reply was made to PR misc/33906; it has been noted by GNATS.

From: Ruslan Ermilov <ru@FreeBSD.org>
To: "Alexey V. Neyman" <alex.neyman@auriga.ru>
Cc: bug-followup@FreeBSD.org
Subject: Re: misc/33906: tic program is missing from the base FreeBSD installation
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 18:53:06 +0200

 On Tue, Jan 15, 2002 at 07:34:38PM +0300, Alexey V. Neyman wrote:
 > hi, there!
 > 
 > On 15 January 2002 18:50, you wrote:
 > >  All these do not count in favor of putting tip(1) back
 > >  into the base system -- nothing in the base system uses
 > >  tip(1) and terminfo stuff.
 > 
 > I'm in no way concerned with tic(1) in particular [ by the way, didn't 
 > you confuse tip(1) with tic(1)? ], but such position is IMHO wrong. 
 > 
 Bad fingers, I meant tic(1).
 
 > Nothing in base system uses jot(1), bc(1), rs(1) ... (another dozen of 
 > utilities follow), but nevertheless they are in the base system just 
 > because they are handy and helpful for FreeBSD users.  As far as I 
 > understand, needed sources are already in src/ tree; all that is needed 
 > is just a layout to compile them?
 > 
 These are traditional BSD utilities, and they are also user-level
 utilities.  tic(1) is System V centric and belongs to a system
 management category (under System V, it's in the 1M section).
 
 FreeBSD does not, by default, have or use terminfo databases, hence
 there's no need for tic(1) in the base system, and least not for the
 general community.  Those who need it for whatever reasons can
 install ncurses port (after it's unbroken).
 
 > PS. Do you recall recent tcpd inclusion?
 > 
 Do you recall recent uucp exclusion?  :-)
 
 And no, all that's is needed is not limited to a Makefile
 infrastructure only.  tic(1) should install their output
 files somewhere, and FreeBSD doesn't have a placeholder
 for them (/usr/lib/terminfo under System V).
 
 
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