From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jan 4 16:14:11 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE0E314305B9 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2019 16:14:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from g8kbvdave@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-wm1-x333.google.com (mail-wm1-x333.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::333]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0A9D76F23D for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2019 16:14:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from g8kbvdave@googlemail.com) Received: by mail-wm1-x333.google.com with SMTP id g67so1683434wmd.2 for ; Fri, 04 Jan 2019 08:14:09 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding :content-language; bh=Nigc11RRVUHW/2kf792QBInWTeA4YlCR4PAV4Ya77Zs=; b=PTEpdCZUsz77Xquq8UsIs36K/zYmQw+4XA+gcbONZoS0DBuxtKk4bTOvRczM1hdJCI E621bOHGgppfMvR4vLDwL8zbU/SH+0eJck8R6Nn1PP4tzp+nyYhrFZVPfymt1DhMmWBT emmaZe/IlEyeUqzlcUCZ4DozsklJWOp6AUyGbWrQsuKUeZ//Ypi6ZrnT3HIbYf8rnBCn rwQ5ZVW3TAWS0YjgB0yhK12sKQj23IF1YxZNYvM0d++CvqQXi4yjkT5ZRdG44PhgWC2C js41XNreM/8tgw7KE6Bzs+oLKRVjwOrLtdUVBjnl4P0JRHfja4C2m1/7zKPzHpft53I8 cbew== X-Gm-Message-State: AJcUukcLUlh1LB8o/+yOc9kwzkddwiFRiXjd3MmxMdcLyR5yrPytCNCy 51cOzirLnTIMAVF7B8ZyGXDRQVQk X-Google-Smtp-Source: ALg8bN59TPNn6icTtZ5aaXn8dLcsHSypvqOITuLuFfjP8qzj9Y3KMopmLQfgng310ay4mZEfHoyRoQ== X-Received: by 2002:a1c:934b:: with SMTP id v72mr1894709wmd.5.1546618448304; Fri, 04 Jan 2019 08:14:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.42.12] ([62.56.72.111]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id j8sm2786827wmd.0.2019.01.04.08.14.07 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 04 Jan 2019 08:14:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 760, Issue 6 To: "Kevin P. Neal" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <00fa089b-d736-e535-6073-2fd48126121f@googlemail.com> <20190104155750.GA48956@neutralgood.org> From: Dave B Message-ID: <68188ee5-14f1-47a6-f4d8-fd049102f12c@googlemail.com> Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2019 16:14:06 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.2.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20190104155750.GA48956@neutralgood.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 0A9D76F23D X-Spamd-Bar: ------ X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.51 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[googlemail.com]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[googlemail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[googlemail.com,quarantine]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.97)[-0.972,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[googlemail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[googlemail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[googlemail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[3.3.3.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.5.4.1.0.0.a.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-2.53)[ip: (-9.01), ipnet: 2a00:1450::/32(-1.88), asn: 15169(-1.66), country: US(-0.08)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2019 16:14:11 -0000 Understood re what ZFS can do, much the same as high end hardware controllers with their own embedded software (BIOS) then.  (I forget the make/model, but I know that one card cost well over twice what the rest of the server machine cost when new!) Only know that, as in it's original life, one of the drives went sick fairly early in it's life so needed replacing.  After it was replaced, and a lot of boot time scary messages, it rebuilt the RAID all by itself, then booted as if nothing had happened!   Neat!. Regards.     Dave B. On 04/01/2019 15:57, Kevin P. Neal wrote: > On Fri, Jan 04, 2019 at 03:43:06PM +0000, Dave B via freebsd-questions wrote: >> Have to ask, if, IF the BIOS is handling the existing RAID itself, why >> can't FreeBSD handle the result just like a single drive?  Of course, if >> some tool/driver loaded at boot time by the old OS is doing it, then >> it's toast in any case. > If the array is presented to FreeBSD as a single drive then FreeBSD is more > than able to use it as a single drive. > > But ZFS wouldn't be able to provide the error correction that it provides > when ZFS manages the array itself. ZFS does checksumming, and if a block > is corrupted then ZFS wants to be able to reconstruct the bad block. But > if ZFS isn't managing the array then ZFS can't do this reconstruction. > You can somewhat work around that by setting the copies=2 option, but that > cuts your available space in half due to duplicating every block of data. > -- Created on and sent from a Unix like PC running and using free and open source software: