Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2024 18:17:21 +0000 From: "Poul-Henning Kamp" <phk@phk.freebsd.dk> To: Kyle Evans <kevans@FreeBSD.org> Cc: Tomoaki AOKI <junchoon@dec.sakura.ne.jp>, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The Case for Rust (in any system) Message-ID: <202409101817.48AIHLMj096285@critter.freebsd.dk> In-Reply-To: <c8b52bcd-725d-473e-a30c-a611b9c2e44c@FreeBSD.org> References: <CAOtMX2iCNX5OkdeghnbmcMrO0UYWwm4zfxFSZGznOznu%2Bmh5rA@mail.gmail.com> <49239d9a-aece-4b6b-b896-d7b4899149fc@FreeBSD.org> <20240910234949.85d5a48c9b9f7bcf945794fc@dec.sakura.ne.jp> <c8b52bcd-725d-473e-a30c-a611b9c2e44c@FreeBSD.org>
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Kyle Evans writes: > We've been able to use C++ in base in a safer fashion for years and that= = > simply has not happened, so one has to question the interest in alternat= ives. Have you already forgotten groff ? We used to have groff in src for the man-pages. Groff was written in C++ and since it was a "bootstraptool", any breakage was high visibility. If you look over the commitlogs, you find lots commits like: commit 504de8da7e199124a8c798b87d22e86bd57adaea Author: Marcel Moolenaar <marcel@FreeBSD.org> Date: Wed May 22 01:04:42 2002 +0000 = Don't build doc on ia64. No groff in sight. and = commit 2d15e757812c1653497b1079e95ef260dc3db1d6 Author: David E. O'Brien <obrien@FreeBSD.org> Date: Mon Nov 8 19:00:22 2010 +0000 = Back out r214961 for skeleton.c -- it broke the groff build. and many more, until we finally had enough: commit 738919c0391b99947b758d85f6a8636be1886fbb Author: Baptiste Daroussin <bapt@FreeBSD.org> Date: Wed Jun 7 23:00:34 2017 +0000 = Remove groff from base = All manpages in base are now compatible with mandoc(1), all roff docu= mentation will be relocated in the doc tree. man(1) can now use groff from the = ports tree if it needs. = Also remove checknr(1) and colcrt(1) which are only useful with groff= . = Approved by: (no objections on the mailing lists) I dont know or think that C++ was the root cause of all this trouble, maybe even far from, but I think we got vaccinated against C++ in src just the same. Poul-Henning -- = Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe = Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence= .
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