Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 14:45:14 +0100 From: Cliff Sarginson <csfbsd@raggedclown.net> To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Re[2]: http://users.uk.freebsd.org/~juha/ Message-ID: <20020308134513.GA49477@raggedclown.net> In-Reply-To: <20020308113108.G32897@iconoplex.co.uk> References: <20020306191854.C2150-100000@earl-grey.cloud9.net> <3C86C11C.8A31C8BB@mindspring.com> <15494.52528.125952.145716@guru.mired.org> <3C86D7D6.C11D7E@mindspring.com> <15494.58407.33613.314390@guru.mired.org> <8457986570.20020307135407@internethelp.ru> <15495.57385.993281.469551@guru.mired.org> <20020308113108.G32897@iconoplex.co.uk>
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On Fri, Mar 08, 2002 at 11:31:09AM +0000, Paul Robinson wrote: > On Mar 7, Mike Meyer <mwm-dated-1015969706.f4c2b9@mired.org> wrote: > > > You can learn that using your own system. Wanna learn how to break > > into a generic install of FreeBSD? Install one, and go to work on > > it. It's no less interesting/fun/educational than trying to break into > > someone elses, and a lot less likely to get you into trouble. > > And what if you want to learn how to break into Solaris? There will always > be an excuse given for hacking. I know one guy who was well known in the > security field for a number of years, who reckoned that many years ago the > 'we want to play with Unix' camp split into two - those who had the balls to > to go out and break into expensive Unix machines dotted around the world, > and those who were so scared they went off and wrote their own (e.g. Linux). > Of course, I don't completely agree with him, but he has a point in that you > either want to run your Unix on your desktop but be limited to what you have > access to (FreeBSD != Solaris != HP-UX != AIX) or you can go out and break > into other people's machines. > > Just because hacking is illegal doesn't mean you or I have the right to > judge those individuals who cause no harm and who only seek true > enlightenment through a thourough understanding of buffer overflows. :-) > Actually they could then pass that knowledge onto the "C" programmers who *still* do not know and/or remember to avoid coding in such a way as to allow that :) It is avoidable. -- Regards Cliff Sarginson -- <csfbsd@raggedclown.net> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message
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