From nobody Mon Mar 28 01:31:50 2022 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B72481A3B3CF for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2022 01:31:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from kicp.uchicago.edu (kicp.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4KRZtJ16Ckz4ggQ for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2022 01:31:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from [192.168.43.231] (unknown [172.58.84.187]) (Authenticated sender: galtsev) by kicp.uchicago.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CCD564E489 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2022 20:31:51 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <772cf4b0-9e26-3126-ec4b-bd91986883dd@kicp.uchicago.edu> Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2022 21:31:50 -0400 List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.15; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/91.7.0 Subject: Re: Using a FreeBSD desktop was somehting about dog food Content-Language: en-US From: Valeri Galtsev To: questions@freebsd.org References: <38b7f44-6d54-fec6-c1f0-d3609d301687@safeport.com> <20220327132420.201da20c@archlinux> <20220327212421.adaee52ba708a058e5ef6bd8@sohara.org> <4f3edca7-45ec-b8ae-45dc-9648cced9bfe@kicp.uchicago.edu> In-Reply-To: <4f3edca7-45ec-b8ae-45dc-9648cced9bfe@kicp.uchicago.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4KRZtJ16Ckz4ggQ X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="No valid SPF, No valid DKIM" header.from=uchicago.edu (policy=none); spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu has no SPF policy when checking 128.135.20.70) smtp.mailfrom=galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.08 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[172.58.84.187:received]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.995]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.99)[-0.992]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[128.135.20.70:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.991]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:160, ipnet:128.135.0.0/16, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[uchicago.edu : No valid SPF, No valid DKIM,none] X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On 3/27/22 9:25 PM, Valeri Galtsev wrote: > > > On 3/27/22 4:24 PM, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: >> On Sun, 27 Mar 2022 13:24:20 +0200 >> Ralf Mardorf wrote: >> >>> to get rid of X graphics issues on Linux I migrated away from AMD/ATI as >>> well as NVIDIA to Intel. For a lengthy period of time using Linux + >>> Intel was a pleasure. However, since the Intel X driver isn't maintained >>> anymore it's replaced by the modesettings driver. A lot of workarounds >>> are needed when using this driver and those do not necessarily help >>> very much, you e.g. might need to drop one or the other web browser. >>> Hardware video acceleration is tricky, even when using the obsolete >>> Intel driver, since not all apps are able to make usage of hardware >>> video acceleration. >> >>     Quite so and all of this is neither Linux nor FreeBSD but rather >> the DRI/DRM project which does most of its development work on Linux >> AFAICT >> but is intended to be OS agnostic. Unfortunately this project has the >> problem of trying to play catch up with what the video card makers are >> doing in their Windows drivers. >> > Please, ignore my rant below. I figure, I have to learn reading carefully, before writing something. Thank you, Steve for deep insights of all your posts, including this one which I ranted about without even disagreeing with your points. Shame on me. Valeri > NVIDIA never releases the details of their chip internals. Therefore, no > open source driver can [legally] be written which is capable of, say, > have dual screen with different screen resolutions, as there is no > specs/description of how video RAM is mapped... ATI had always been open > about chipsets' internals (don't know how things changed when developing > continued after AMD bought them out), and therefore open source drivers > were extremely good. Now, NVIDIA's [proprietary] drivers are actually > written by NVIDIA itself. For those systems which NVIDIA prefers. I am > just ranting about Steve words of Linux catching up with Windows. > Respectfully disagree - very first time probably disagree with Steve. > Usually I learn from Steve, his knowledge is incomparably deeper than mine. > > Valeri