From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 27 21:10:04 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 495221065670 for ; Wed, 27 Apr 2011 21:10:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mi+thun@aldan.algebra.com) Received: from smtp03.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.103]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E67408FC1D for ; Wed, 27 Apr 2011 21:10:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mr16.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.36]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 27 Apr 2011 17:10:03 -0400 Received: from smtp04.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp04.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.104]) by mr16.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 4.2.3-GA) with ESMTP id BAW11549; Wed, 27 Apr 2011 17:10:02 -0400 X-Auth-ID: anat Received: from 209-6-61-133.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com (HELO utka.zajac) ([209.6.61.133]) by smtp04.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 27 Apr 2011 17:10:01 -0400 Message-ID: <4DB88629.9060802@aldan.algebra.com> Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 17:10:01 -0400 From: "Mikhail T." User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101229 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Eitan Adler References: <4DB6165F.1010806@FreeBSD.org> <20110426024122.GA38579@comcast.net> <20110426163424.GB38579@comcast.net> <20110426141209.0d07bccf@seibercom.net> <20110426184315.GA2320@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <19895.13977.553973.609431@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <4DB83D6E.9000800@aldan.algebra.com> <4DB876AE.9050906@aldan.algebra.com> In-Reply-To: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 21:40:12 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Robert Huff , Chip Camden , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: saving a few ports from death X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 21:10:04 -0000 Eitan, you are entitled to your opinions, but not to your own facts. My factual corrections are inline below. Arguing about opinions and policy is useless until the facts are accepted as such by all participants: On 27.04.2011 16:54, Eitan Adler wrote: > The upstream maintainer already called it "end of life". FreeBSD does > not and will not ever take over the development of dead upstream ports > (and in this case there is a upstream version) I never suggested, we undertake /development/ of upstream software -- EOLed or not. Fact 1. >> The same entity(ies), that currently busy themselves marking things>"deprecated". > The ports marked "broken with no one to fix them" (shortened to > 'deprecated') take a significant amount of time and energy to fix. db2 was not broken. Neither is apache13... Fact 2. > Which is a *major* drain of resources. "Major"? Didn't you say earlier, that the most recent sweep -- only deleted about 3% of the ports? I'd say, this is Fact 3, but, maybe, even 3% qualifies as "major" in your view... And was not this sweep the largest in our history? > What you fail to understand is that we are NOT marking ports as > 'obsolete' or 'bad' or 'there exists a better program' but as broken > and unmaintained. I can only repeat the example of db2. It was never broken, but deleted nonetheless... The same is about to happen to apache13... -mi