From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jul 10 13:34:22 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mail.the-i-pa.com (mail.the-i-pa.com [151.201.71.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C268C37B405 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 13:34:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wmoran@iowna.com) Received: (qmail 21360 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2001 20:43:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO iowna.com) (151.201.71.193) by mail.the-i-pa.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2001 20:43:32 -0000 Message-ID: <3B4B65ED.452CDD5E@iowna.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 16:30:37 -0400 From: Bill Moran X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.2-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Garance A Drosihn Cc: Wes Peters , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD Mall now BSDCentral References: <20010706144935.A61843@xor.obsecurity.org> <3B4650D0.97F10B83@bellatlantic.net> <20010707002340.B16071@widomaker.com> <20010707004731V.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> <3B49F8D5.2C9BFA73@mindspring.com> <3B4A0124.26025FB5@iowna.com> <3B4A1423.E8E365E@mindspring.com> <86ofqth6p3.fsf@hades.hell.gr> <3B4A7D9C.A64230D9@softweyr.com> <3B4B07DE.4801D208@iowna.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG *sigh* this has gotten way off track somehow. Looking back, I'm probably primarily to blame. The fact is: *I* *AM* interested in replacing or helping out with an effort to replace/improve sysinstall. However, there are two critical things I must understand if I am to do anything truely productive along this line: 1. Should sysinstall be fixed or replaced. 2. What needs done to fix or improve sysinstall. Now, I've gotten several excellent suggestions with regard to #2. If any of my replies to these seem like arguments, then that's just a part of my inability to communicate, as what I'm trying to do is *understand* what exactly needs done. If I only change what *I* want, it might not be terribly useful overall (as can be seen by my divergence from other's opinions) You make an excellent point of this in your second paragraph below. What I was really interested in getting answered was #1, as it was suggested by Terry Lambert that "sysinstall must go" (don't remember his exact words) I have no desire to start repairing something if a complete replacement is in order. The fact of the matter is that I don't understand the problem enough to fix it. It may seem strange to people that I'm more interested in understanding this problem than in fixing problems that I already understand. Well, I always have been a little strange ... Personally, I would appreciate it if folks would *not* back off from this conversation, since I'm acutally beginning to understand, thanks to the tireless efforts of many who already understand. -Bill Garance A Drosihn wrote: > The main problem I have seen with this discussion is that the > current partitioning program works well for you (Bill). Every > time anyone suggests something, you reply that it seems frivolous > to you, or that there is no other installer that you personally > have used which does a better job. We're not trying to suggest > things to make partitioning easier for YOU, we're suggesting > things which would make it nicer/easier/friendlier for US, or > people that we deal with. > > Pretty much every time I have used the disk-partitioning software > for freebsd I have hated it. The *reason* I hate it changes from > run-to-run, but I've never been particularly happy with it. It > is clear that you've had better luck with it than I have. I think > I'll just leave it at that, instead of trying to interest you in > making some changes to it. I do not mean this as a sarcastic jab, > I am just making the observation that the current setup seems to > work well for you, and thus you're not going to be as interested > in changing it as we might have hoped. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message