From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 9 11:32:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4ECC16A439 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 11:32:49 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nikolas.britton@gmail.com) Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.207]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01A7943D45 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 11:32:48 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nikolas.britton@gmail.com) Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id s9so2519585wxc for ; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 03:32:48 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=nW9AXU83UQLGO0bS3Qj4p3VPBtiY/F7fuxntEfZGD4pOBTPqCo5CItDe2WWlq+bms6zikbY0Py2x+x6orgtApopEks1g5srICy9NYnbl1fVJNLvvKGgN1iyilLFcINb+bpr6+Ecj3lRMtmlPP2Zswt4Y6IEN7mbvTah3riKUOu8= Received: by 10.70.122.16 with SMTP id u16mr5712135wxc; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 03:32:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.66.9 with HTTP; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 03:32:48 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 05:32:48 -0600 From: Nikolas Britton To: "Marc G. Fournier" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Cc: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6vesd=E1n_G=E1bor?= , freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, speedydemon@shadowdev.org, Frank Laszlo Subject: Flash Petition (Was Re: FreeBSD as a Desktop Article) X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 11:32:49 -0000 On 1/8/06, Marc G. Fournier wrote: > On Thu, 5 Jan 2006, Nikolas Britton wrote: > > > On 1/5/06, Frank Laszlo wrote: > >> > >> > >> K=F6vesd=E1n G=E1bor wrote: > >>> Nikolas Britton wrote: > >>> > >>>> On 1/4/06, James Cornell wrote: > >>>> > >>>> never mind, I just made one so go sign it!!! > >>>> http://www.petitiononline.com/flash4me/petition.html > >>>> > >>>> > >>> I've signed it and posted it to a Hungarian open-source community, bu= t > >>> I think it would be nice if somebody from the doc team can add it to > >>> the news on the website, so I cc'd freebsd-doc@, I hope this helps > >>> geting Adobe to release a working Flash for FreeBSD. > >>> > >>> Regards, > >>> > >>> Gabor Kovesdan > >> > >> Not to rain on the parade, but since when has one of those online > >> petitions done any good? > >> > > > > It may be trivial but at least I did something to rectify it. Talking > > about are problems will get us nowhere unless we also do. Do you have > > a better plan of action? > > The problem is, anyone can sign a petition, even those that don't, nor > will ever, use the software, which is what makes them meaningless :( > > You really need to get someone on the inside that is using FreeBSD and > push from that direction ... unless its a product you can pay for, and > then you make the dollars speak for you ... I make all IT, purchasing, decisions at my company. I suspect most other senior IT folk also make or have strong influence in, purchasing, decisions at their company's. What are the demographics for people who use FreeBSD? I suspect a higher then normal percentage of senior IT folk make up the ranks. Here's an excellent example of the point I'm trying to make: Last year my company wanted to build a flash website. I put my foot down and said no, not everyone can use or see flash websites. Macromedia lost a $999 dollar sale. > > What about the FreeBSD Foundation ... maybe something that they can > organize? I'm all for that and other organisations getting involved, maybe they can actually do something too.