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Date:      Fri, 17 Feb 2012 15:11:56 -0800
From:      matt <sendtomatt@gmail.com>
To:        rank1seeker@gmail.com
Cc:        hackers@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: 8 to 9: Kernel modularization -- did it change?
Message-ID:  <4F3EDEBC.7040703@gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <20120217.220802.988.2@DOMY-PC>
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On 02/17/12 14:08, rank1seeker@gmail.com wrote:
>> For me as a user, that would be a much preferable approach, instilled
>> long ago by Linux. I don't like unused stuff around, and I like to
>> understand what I am using.
>>
>> Some build kernel confutation parameters "minimum modules", "medium
>> modules", "maximum modules" might be utilized.  I would be using
>> "medium" or most likely "maximum", leaving me with a minimal kernel.
>>
>> -- Alex -- alex-goncharov@comcast.net --
> NO.
>
>> Thinking bigger picture (beyond sound), would it make sense to keep
>> GENERIC very minimal, but provide an extensive loader.conf with a
>> default install...so most things worked, but were loaded as modules?
>>
>> Matt
> NO.
>
>
> You can't base a "wish" on a solution for YOURS problems!
>
> GENERIC must be as giantic as possible, to make as many machines as pos=
sible to BOOT and enable all what can be enabled in/on them.
> THEN ... individual "strips" unhooked parts -> custom kernel, via wich =
you "specialize it", for your hardware!
>
> That is, unless individual is passive/bored (lazy?) and prefer everythi=
ng on a silver plate ...
> There are many paths in that case ...
> Windows are the easiest solution. THEY THINK FOR YOU!
> ;)
>
>
> Domagoj Smol=E8i=E6
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I'm tired of Linux and "everything should be in the kernel, implemented
4 ways" approach.

I think you misunderstood. GENERIC should be able to boot anything
bootable within the architecture, right? We agree on that. Is sound
required for booting?

We have a modular kernel. It makes best-practices-sense to keep the
kernel true to what's required to boot and initialize the hardware
required to come up multiuser. I am actually against having sound in
there at all.

However, as a compromise, if it must be in there, then put it in
loader.conf and not the kernel.

Do we still disagree?

Matt






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