From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 21 17:28:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1646A16A41F for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 17:28:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jas@extundo.com) Received: from yxa.extundo.com (178.230.13.217.in-addr.dgcsystems.net [217.13.230.178]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DBB743D55 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 17:28:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jas@extundo.com) Received: from latte.josefsson.org (c494102a.s-bi.bostream.se [217.215.27.65]) (authenticated bits=0) by yxa.extundo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jALHRxg8010579 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 21 Nov 2005 18:28:00 +0100 From: Simon Josefsson To: "Ted Mittelstaedt" References: OpenPGP: id=B565716F; url=http://josefsson.org/key.txt X-Hashcash: 1:21:051121:tedm@toybox.placo.com::4OShv/xfc7lKPDyg:3yRJ X-Hashcash: 1:21:051121:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org::2oCry3ByTBs29XLD:8t85 Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 18:27:47 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Ted Mittelstaedt's message of "Sun, 20 Nov 2005 02:14:03 -0800") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.110004 (No Gnus v0.4) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO autolearn=ham version=3.1.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on yxa-iv X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on yxa.extundo.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Proposed license for IETF Contributions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 17:28:13 -0000 "Ted Mittelstaedt" writes: > Hi Simon, > > You might check this but I believe that the Copyright convention > specifically > excepts "specifications" from copyright coverage. I think there's some > other > classes of original work that fall under this. How about simply > rewriting the > ITEF license to designate any RFC as the complete RFC is a specification, > and therefore uncopyrightable. Hi Ted. I have not seen anyone suggest this before, and I strongly doubt that anything as complex as a specification would be excepted from copyright coverage. All specifications I have read have been copyrighted. Perhaps you are thinking of US Governmental works? They are not copyrighted in the same way other works are. Please provide me with a reference for this. Thanks, Simon > > Ted > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >>[mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Simon Josefsson >>Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 7:28 AM >>To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >>Subject: Proposed license for IETF Contributions >> >> >>Hi all. I noticed the following in the release notes for 6.0: >> >> The following manual pages, which were derived from RFCs and >> possibly violate the IETF's copyrights, have been replaced: >> gai_strerror(3), getaddrinfo(3), getnameinfo(3), inet6_opt_init(3), >> inet6_option_space(3), inet6_rth_space(3), inet6_rthdr_space(3), >> icmp6(4), and ip6(4). [MERGED] >> >>I'm working on a proposed update for the copying conditions (i.e., the >>copyright license) used on IETF Contributions. One goal is to make >>the license more aligned with open source and free software >>requirements. More background at . >> >>I'd like the FreeBSD community input on a whether a my proposed >>license would have avoided the above situation, and similar situations >>in the future. >> >>The issue is whether the RFC 3978 license permit using RFC excerpts in >>source code or documentation (man pages in your case) that is licensed >>under a free software license. I believe RFC 3978 do not permit this, >>and judging from your release notes, it seems you share that view. >> >>Anyway. Here is my proposed license: >> >> c. The Contributor grants third parties the irrevocable >> right to copy, use and distribute the Contribution, with >> or without modification, in any medium, without royalty, >> provided that redistributed modified works do not contain >> misleading author or version information. This >> specifically imply, for instance, that redistributed >> modified works must remove any references to endorsement >> by the IETF, IESG, IANA, IAB, ISOC, RFC Editor, and >> similar organizations and remove any claims of status as >> Internet Standard, e.g., by removing the RFC boilerplate. >> The IETF requests that any citation or excerpt of >> unmodified text reference the RFC or other document from >> which the text is derived. >> >>Comments? Suggestions? >> >>RFC excerpts are sometimes used in source code too, so the above >>scenario with the man pages may not be a isolated accident. I looked >>at Apache, Samba, OpenSSL and some other packages, and they all cite >>RFCs in various places. That usage may also be problematic, but I'm >>not sure. >> >>Thanks, >>Simon >>_______________________________________________ >>freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>To unsubscribe, send any mail to >>"freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> >>-- >>No virus found in this incoming message. >>Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.4/175 - Release Date: >>11/18/2005 >> > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"