From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Sep 9 23:44:26 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from smtp05.wxs.nl (smtp05.wxs.nl [195.121.6.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8E6C15258 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 23:44:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from daemon.ninth-circle.org ([195.121.196.51]) by smtp05.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAF59A2; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 08:44:05 +0200 Received: (from asmodai@localhost) by daemon.ninth-circle.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA71514; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 08:43:41 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from asmodai) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 08:43:41 +0200 From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: Brett Glass Cc: "Matthew N. Dodd" , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Contributors, or lack thereof Message-ID: <19990910084341.J71369@daemon.ninth-circle.org> References: <4.2.0.58.19990908211304.046462a0@localhost> <4.2.0.58.19990909020227.045a31b0@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.7i In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19990909020227.045a31b0@localhost> Organisation: Ninth-Circle Enterprises Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org * Brett Glass (brett@lariat.org) [990909 13:14]: >At 12:48 AM 9/9/99 -0400, Matthew N. Dodd wrote: > >>Well, you didn't say advocacy strategies, you said 'contributors to the >>code base', so changing arguements here isn't going to work. > >I'm not "changing arguments;" I'm making two distinct points. First, >contributions to the code base are impeded by ego, territoriality, >and elitism. Second, contributions that DON'T involve code are >considered to be second-rate, even if they're needed very bit as >much as code. You haven't been paying attention have you? 1) You _do_ either switch arguments or start rambling off about something completely different and totally unrelated to the question asked or a statement made. 2) Where do you get the ridiculous idea that non-code submissions are second-rate? I don't consider -doc to be coders, they do things on a totally other level and on a level which I value as much as code being put in by, for example, a Matthew, Alfred, Brian, Peter, Dag-Erling, Bruce, to name but a few. Nik, Neil, Mike, Chris and a few other -doc guys have my respect for their efforts and they prolyl know it. They earned it by chipping in their expertise. The same goes for what Dan Langille, Jim Mock and now a couple of others are doing with their supportive (Free)BSD websites. They also have my respect. With all the respect for what you did in the past I have not seen anything from you since early January, not even the tiniest pr or otherwise a constructive piece of whatever except constantly debating what the future will be like on either -advocacy or -chat. If we were all like you as you are on this point, then, aye, the FreeBSD Project would be dead. However, we chose NOT to be like you and we're thriving. Have a nice day Brett and stop make us wasting our time to time and again point out your silliness in the statements you tend to make. [and if you wonder why I don't reply when you reply, it's simply because I have things to do which I consider more important] -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven/Asmodai asmodai(at)wxs.nl The BSD Programmer's Documentation Project Network/Security Specialist BSD: Technical excellence at its best A frightened mental vortex we will be, a Sun we seek, a Sun we flee... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message