From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Sep 20 15:11:41 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E3E33E4D89 for ; Sun, 20 Sep 2020 15:11:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [217.72.192.73]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BvWHv6wcCz4g7X for ; Sun, 20 Sep 2020 15:11:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([178.5.239.216]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue109 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MqJuP-1ko4kn3dwZ-00nRKt; Sun, 20 Sep 2020 17:11:34 +0200 Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2020 17:11:34 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Ralf Mardorf Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Dual-booting/triple-booting FreeBSD under UEFI Message-Id: <20200920171134.8140e330.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20200920165453.78d03bdd@archlinux> References: <20200919180814.00005391@seibercom.net> <20200920035310.72276666@archlinux> <20200920162833.433a14ce.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200920165453.78d03bdd@archlinux> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:0dgotWXMRPFYTIdYIZah4ITYmDiGoCEZ5TpStmgVQteUDkl7UrX xUNx41/3zYDtwlTAj/5AAqRMSyjXeyLIX2hdaGwFMnsgyisZzUExcVtP+s0Bz5vIV44RI/h 7bGmetmyF7wngMET+njUfd4YmA68LwHbfEVRAD5LwB5Lhx8filAtWLik7b3TJ7vdf5ScmIk oHIe/ok67vKtwQa/PZMYA== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:B7AZJCfkA6o=:dFAxLrNH8CfM73WtFwZ7mr 6PWiYPEa+9u8PY+wknL5AkvHgGp1pYNUGiLja6B5DfFU5QsOtioP/HMvTj3YJoEKVUK7GlTEy w/FKriQC9mNuJuobokWDxm+fBWgwcFKai+n7X/wYiY+2qpCKN4PtmvPlczoBycHIke0Xt+Vdm xtQgR2m/BWEebQd5lnYpUxlwWirhKr5GXIVVU46clSHMtDMDrIYRqE3O8FCXJYkR6zVkgmOCb xDRcng5pQ8RBbSsUt6VsvYSRPOgIDbf+dXjcJn2zl2Xn9l7jHA+UMsmlKva5q1nIVQNfaqdYI skuO6Yg+ZmiY6VUxyTbX0yNbOQrbIHNeIkx0URkuxK48hUl8SMeYf3YkNO4l+WPWcVKr6IRkZ vCPrCq/71qCfJ5RAVQ+K7zksysFn1O22rul1eUGqFSgWvpuDyqcXDNrw5nwE3uCZlza5N3oie qa6QxvOd4260wSlLiyQBl9kjstznlwuOgLeG+6OpSIjIIm0MK0l6430qcznCOksUTTFE2Gegq DlGT1yMhcGwZZBy8ohnXKIJWKeUIWlapId2xOYcOpYbDP3c9kkbRms5EObOvX3mKLffJQ6vwP kDMVVTvNZsldPw36/hPIxYtRuXleWSpQzv0CNGGVdbbsw+vctHgFGHmJveObo9yCdiwTPp6Yh 4h8LaoCurSA/Uo0VNQVfoO/10EwUH9TvNVmE8wtwJ3Asi9LBq8dmQaUWMltVPEDYfhSe9HLO5 Fwf4BMhSs5WxtykEtv8m89r3/gMkwcH6VJVNRs1zYF7LKvmHQy5mD0HqlJWrI8JVaeTy8Dfuh BKlc8HRNzT0au7X/PsbGWOie6FrcJ6oIsD7K2FHj6NZKcd55J47mwJ+3RRkNw04h0ylNKwA X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BvWHv6wcCz4g7X X-Spamd-Bar: ++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@edvax.de has no SPF policy when checking 217.72.192.73) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@edvax.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.43 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.11)[-0.111]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[178.5.239.216:received]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:217.72.192.0/20, country:DE]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.55)[-0.550]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.69)[0.692]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[217.72.192.73:from]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[217.72.192.73:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2020 15:11:41 -0000 On Sun, 20 Sep 2020 16:54:53 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Sun, 20 Sep 2020 16:28:33 +0200, Polytropon wrote: > >On Sun, 20 Sep 2020 03:53:10 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > >> A business technology news website spreading inaccurate news isn't > >> required to get informed about known vulnerabilities. > > > >If they aren't even able to get (or interested in getting) the > >terminology correct... if I remember correctly, what GRUB does > >is called a "boot manager" (thing that usually interactively > >selects from different operating systems to boot, or configures > >the boot of one operating system, by setting boot parameters or > >kernel options). GRUB does this even in Linux-only installations. > >A boot loader can be a standard MBR, without any interactivity, > >that loads an operating system. This is the typical situation > >on systems running FreeBSD exclusively. > > > >Or is there a different definition or consensus of the words? > > IMO it's correct to call grub a "boot loader", too. > > "Boot loader > > A boot loader is a piece of software started by the firmware (BIOS or > UEFI). [snip] A separate boot loader or boot manager can still be used > for the purpose of editing kernel parameters before booting." - > https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Arch_boot_process#Boot_loader Okay, so a boot manager is a specific kind of boot loader (subclass). Today I learned. :-) +-------------+ | UEFI / BIOS | +------+------+ | | V +-------------+ | boot loader | = [ standard boot block | interactive boot manager ] +------+------+ | | V ... -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...