From owner-freebsd-current Sat Dec 22 14:23:41 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from meta.lo-res.org (meta.lo-res.org [195.58.189.92]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7377537B416 for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 14:23:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (aaron@localhost) by meta.lo-res.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fBMMNO363066; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 23:23:25 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from aaron@meta.lo-res.org) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 23:23:24 +0100 (CET) From: aaron To: Julian Elischer Cc: Matthew Dillon , Joe Halpin , "current@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: spam In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20011222225555.G62982-100000@meta.lo-res.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 22 Dec 2001, Julian Elischer wrote: > I would suggest that we use a 'modified' subscription method, > where simply being mentionned in the list is enough to subscribe.. > > Now, before you laugh.. there's a twist.. > any address found in the archives is automatically subscribed > and that includes in the text.. also any mail not subscribed it treated > as if it were a moderated list. i.e. sent for OK to someone. > once that peson OKs it the person can send mail. I'd suggest that there be (...) > the mail will subscribe the sender. Julian, I think your idea and mine were pretty close. I believe the goals are: a) not to slow down -current or -hackers by moderation (=> use many moderators as you noted) b) distribute power of moderation (*) c) use technology as much as possible for automation of subscription (thats why I suggested public keys and signatures, since they are a safe indicator that somebody is not imposting as someone else via mail headers) and finally d) keep it as simple as possible I believe your idea would work out great and it would not force people to use gpg/pgp (cf point d). On the other hand signatures seem to be the only way to make sure a certain mail is in fact coming from a subscribed person. Given the current load on -current a process checking each incoming mail for 1) having a sig 2) having a valid sig 3) checking if a certain pub key of a certain subscriber maches the sig - should not be such a problem. Anyway.... I would like to hear how others feel about that. ---- (*) I could imagine something like: there are n moderators and when the mail arrives m (m << n) random moderators are forwarded the new mail. It is sufficient if one of the m moderators accepts the message as not being spam. So if a submitter feels left out by some moderator chances are higher his/her message will be accepted the next time by a different moderator - as long as it is not spam :) If the -current subscribers would want such a scheme I would be happy to help in any way needed. Let me know. greetings, Aaron Kaplan. --- COSHER = Completely Open Source, Headers, Engineering, and Research To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message