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(p54ACFC77.dip.t-dialin.net [84.172.252.119]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l12sm267625fgb.41.2009.03.02.04.15.54 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 02 Mar 2009 04:15:55 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <110F293A-E09B-40D2-9B8C-38E1D8C6D1B2@gmail.com> From: Julian Wissmann To: Bernt Hansson In-Reply-To: <49AB98C2.80900@bah.homeip.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 13:15:55 +0100 References: <630286c70902270134u18505882xbabf547190ae8747@mail.gmail.com> <87DB90C7-3537-41A4-ABBF-C7682F0EE5F0@rgbaz.eu> <49A94AF0.7080603@bah.homeip.net> <49A965D1.7080309@bah.homeip.net> <49A98ADB.2010107@bah.homeip.net> <49A98FE5.7000404@hotmail.com> <49A9A52C.2010507@bah.homeip.net> <49A9ACBC.30506@bah.homeip.net> <49AB98C2.80900@bah.homeip.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ports on Macbook X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 12:44:19 -0000 Oh, that didn't go to the list, did it. I should actually read where I send stuff to, well, anyway. Suse was bought by Novell a while back as you probably know, but as =20 far as I know the Suse team still is located in Nuernberg over here in =20= Germany. They're programmers/geeks whichever you prefer to call it, not lawyers. So chances are they didn't know about this either when they started =20 out, but considering that Yast was closed source for a while they =20 probably found out soon. Am 02.03.2009 um 09:28 schrieb Bernt Hansson: > Julian Wissmann skrev: >> An EULA actually in nearly all European Countries and probably most >> other countries in the World is not binding. > > That's my point. An EULA is just, that. An EULA. > >> Even in the US it is not >> quite clear if an EULA is a valid license agreement. > > Can't comment on that. > >> Also EULAs and >> many Licenses actually only apply to US Law, so basically they're not >> worth anything anywhere else. > > Yes. US law apply to us only. > >> You couldn't enforce a GPL in Germany or >> some other european countries for example, because it is built atop >> another legal system with different ideas of how things work. > > Interesting! Suse comes to mind, but is suse linux still based in =20 > germany? > >> Same >> thing applies to EULAs. I read a very interesting article on German =20= >> iX >> magazine recently wich was covering this. Don't have access to it >> right now though cause I'm on a trip home, so I can't really say much >> more about it, but if you want specific details I can post them in a >> bout a week. > > Take your time. This kind of discussion's come and go. > > > >> >> Am 28.02.2009 um 22:29 schrieb Bernt Hansson: >> >>> Chris Rees skrev: >>>> 2009/2/28 Bernt Hansson : >>>>> Lord Blackadder skrev: >>>>>> Bernt Hansson wrote: >>>>>>> Sean Cavanaugh skrev: >>>>>> I'm sorry to disappoint you, Bernt, but under Swedish law any >>>>>> kind of >>>>>> agreement is legally binding. Even just a handshake. >>>>> Yes. But clicking yes or no is not a handshake or oral agreement >>>>> acording to Swedish law. >>> >>>> Again, back it up? You're just expecting us to believe your >>>> interpretation of the law. >>> Who's interpretation are you in comfort with? Your own? Sombody >>> else, a >>> lawyer? A pornstar? >>> _______________________________________________ >>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org >>> " >> >> >> > > --=20 > Varning! E-post till och fr=E5n Sverige, eller som passerar servrar i > Sverige, avlyssnas av F=F6rsvarets Radioanstalt, FRA. > > WARNING! E-mail to and from Sweden, or via servers in Sweden, is > monitored by the National Defence Radio Establishment.