From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 25 21:43:28 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71FE516A4CE; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 21:43:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ebb.errno.com (ebb.errno.com [66.127.85.87]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE4D743D46; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 21:43:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from sam@errno.com) Received: from [66.127.85.91] (sam@[66.127.85.91]) (authenticated bits=0) by ebb.errno.com (8.12.9/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j0PLhKWi013524 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 25 Jan 2005 13:43:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sam@errno.com) Message-ID: <41F6BD98.3040402@errno.com> Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 13:43:52 -0800 From: Sam Leffler User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0RC1 (X11/20041208) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrea Campi References: <20050125.101021.41686898.imp@harmony.village.org> <20050125175022.GA8667@odin.ac.hmc.edu> <20050125205142.GA8930@webcom.it> In-Reply-To: <20050125205142.GA8930@webcom.it> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: current@freebsd.org cc: Warner Losh cc: phk@phk.freebsd.dk cc: Robert Watson cc: pete@altadena.net cc: imp@bsdimp.com Subject: Re: Devd event from GEOM? X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 21:43:28 -0000 Andrea Campi wrote: > On Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 09:50:22AM -0800, Brooks Davis wrote: > >>>be properly managed by today's dhclient. Likewise, I want to always have >>>link local addresses configured for every network interface, and not have >>>things like dhclient step on them. This requires dhclient to become >>>substantially more mature and/or grow a lot, or it requires a new daemon. >>>Having many daemons is just asking for them all to step on each other's >>>toes, adding and removing addresses and routes in ways that leaves me with >>>nothing useful to network with, requiring user intervention. If you've >>>ever used a FreeBSD box in this scenario, followed by a Mac OS X box, >>>you'll know what I mean. Neither is perfect, but the one with centralized >>>configuration management does a much better job :-). >> >>FWIW, Sam's got a port of openbsd's dhclient in perforce. It's >>apparently significantly less foobar then ours. Unfortunatly, dhclient >>isn't enough because we also need wpa_supplication for modern wireless >>networks (it also provides basic 802.1x support for wired interfaces in >>linux and we'll probably want that too.) I think we'll be able to >>simply add a wpa_supplicant_ifs="..." variable to start wpa_supplicant >>independent of dhclient, but I'm not 100% sure yet. > > > And than you want howl for Zeroconf/Rendezvous... If people agreed to have > it in the base system, some scripting would tie everything together > seamlessly to give the same level of functionality as Mac OS X or better. I can't think of anything zeroconf/rendezvous does for me that I want. What's presently missing is: background scanning, proper roaming, a GUI tool that lets you interact with the wireless support. OS X (Tiger at least) is rather lame in many ares in terms of wireless--e.g. their WPA/802.1x support is easily confused and lacks pre-authentication support. OTOH their GUI stuff is the best I've seen. Sam