From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Feb 18 12: 7:23 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from smtp04.primenet.com (smtp04.primenet.com [206.165.6.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CD0D11986 for ; Thu, 18 Feb 1999 12:07:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert@usr02.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp04.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA27833; Thu, 18 Feb 1999 13:21:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr02.primenet.com(206.165.6.202) via SMTP by smtp04.primenet.com, id smtpd027625; Thu Feb 18 13:20:47 1999 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr02.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA06716; Thu, 18 Feb 1999 13:06:25 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199902182006.NAA06716@usr02.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Walnut Creek, Where Are You? To: mike@smith.net.au (Mike Smith) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 20:06:23 +0000 (GMT) Cc: brett@lariat.org, mike@smith.net.au, chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199902180710.XAA03755@dingo.cdrom.com> from "Mike Smith" at Feb 17, 99 11:10:11 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > >Brett, I take back everything I said about offering you hardware to > > >write drivers with. If you're that far behind the ball with the way > > >that PCI works, it wouldn't be even vaguely economical. > > > > It has nothing to do with PCI. A probe for something else ENTIRELY > > could be mucking things up. > > Uh, no. Or at least, if it did, the machine would not be on the > market. What we do when it comes to probing is an order of magnitude > less offensive than what Microsoft and Linux do. Heh. Microsoft probes to the point of you needing to reboot and logs the fact that the probe locked the system up, and says "I think I won't poke there next time". I have seen a number of IBM boxes that locked hard 4 times during a Windows 95 install. I liken the Linux probe stuff to the PAO stuff: do whatever you have to do to make it work. FreeBSD has similar areas, even if people don't like to point a flashlight at them very often (or look when someone else points one). The VFS integration is one. The Mach32/serial driver probe interaction is another. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message