Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2019 13:54:47 +0000 (UTC) From: Paul Pathiakis <pathiaki2@yahoo.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Steve O'Hara-Smith <steve@sohara.org> Subject: Re: Firefox or what? Message-ID: <339518345.5751661.1565877287760@mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20190815130549.a8dd5cbda66719d356fdf88f@sohara.org> References: <20190812173754.9bbd34f75885d616ae5d074a@gc-24.de> <20190812164800.1bc5581b40de9436a977ea02@sohara.org> <875zn22mmc.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <d968aa28-dd43-ba88-f1f7-846330e9ed0c@netfence.it> <871rxorh4y.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <5be8adb1-cf57-9e24-4ce9-27a76cc3ece8@netfence.it> <20190815123705.4ac8a2d8c005971b83a5dceb@gc-24.de> <20190815130549.a8dd5cbda66719d356fdf88f@sohara.org>
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Hi,
I also, have no issues with .0 from FreeBSD.
I entirely ignore all Linux kernel major releases for at LEAST 6 months to get rid of the major issues.
Then I wait for the functional and security exploit patches for the next 2-4 years.
Again, calling a RELEASE a BETA without understanding the project, reading the release process and the release notes. Quite possibly, maybe you don't even understanding the difference of a BETA vs RC and the levels thereof.
Refusing to produce any documentation regarding the environment, the configuration, etc...
QA, TEST, RELEASE, BUG TRACKING are all handled in the traditional (aka the most painstaking manner of software engineering perfection) in the FreBSD project.
You refuse to read. You refuse to write. You point at irrelevant bugs.
Just a troll. However, the interesting this is you remind me almost identically of the same troll that shows up every 6 months on this list.
Anyhow, here's your information and I hope that the very helpful people on this list realize there are no problems here, just a consumption of resources.
DNS server handling your query: localhost
DNS server's address: 127.0.0.1#53
Non-authoritative answer:
gc-24.de mail exchanger = 10 mail.gc-24.de.
gc-24.de
origin = ns1.antagus.de
mail addr = root.ns1.antagus.de
serial = 1449586308
refresh = 10800
retry = 3600
expire = 604800
minimum = 3600
Name: gc-24.de
Address: 46.227.95.21
gc-24.de nameserver = ns1.antagus.de.
gc-24.de nameserver = ns2.antagus.de.
Authoritative answers can be found from:
P
On Thursday, August 15, 2019, 9:25:06 AM EDT, Steve O'Hara-Smith <steve@sohara.org> wrote:
On Thu, 15 Aug 2019 12:37:05 +0200
hw <hw@gc-24.de> wrote:
> Then why doesn't the documentation warn about this? I was trying to
> find out what the recommended stable version is, and that seems to be
> 12 release. Why call it release when it's still beta?
It is a release, the first release in a major version that has
been through all the normal release engineering process with particular
care applied to new features and major rewrites as you would expect from
any well run release engineering team.
Many people prefer to avoid the first release in a major version of
*anything* because new features and major rewrites often have unexpected
side effects and bugs that don't come to light until after release.
FreeBSD historically (I've been using it since 1.1.5) has been
pretty good at .0 release (kudos to the release engineering teams - and
let us draw a kindly veil over 5.0[1]) but nobody is perfect and expecting
the worst of .0 releases is sensible caution.
[1] There were good reasons this was a painful disaster.
--
Steve O'Hara-Smith <steve@sohara.org>
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Also, I appreciated the helpfulness of the people on this list. However, since there doesn't seem to be any issues that aren't relevant or made up here, please take the ongoing issue offlist if possible.
Have a conversation via e-mail with hw directly so the rest of us who want to help people or have genuine issues they need help with can continue to do so.
If you actually do encounter a real issue, it wouldn't be a bad thing to post a synopsis and resolution to the maillist after the fact.
It's that simple.
Thank for doing so,
P.
On Thursday, August 15, 2019, 9:55:04 AM EDT, Paul Pathiakis via freebsd-questions <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> wrote:
Hi,
I also, have no issues with .0 from FreeBSD.
I entirely ignore all Linux kernel major releases for at LEAST 6 months to get rid of the major issues.
Then I wait for the functional and security exploit patches for the next 2-4 years.
Again, calling a RELEASE a BETA without understanding the project, reading the release process and the release notes. Quite possibly, maybe you don't even understanding the difference of a BETA vs RC and the levels thereof.
Refusing to produce any documentation regarding the environment, the configuration, etc...
QA, TEST, RELEASE, BUG TRACKING are all handled in the traditional (aka the most painstaking manner of software engineering perfection) in the FreBSD project.
You refuse to read. You refuse to write. You point at irrelevant bugs.
Just a troll. However, the interesting this is you remind me almost identically of the same troll that shows up every 6 months on this list.
Anyhow, here's your information and I hope that the very helpful people on this list realize there are no problems here, just a consumption of resources.
DNS server handling your query: localhost
DNS server's address: 127.0.0.1#53
Non-authoritative answer:
gc-24.de mail exchanger = 10 mail.gc-24.de.
gc-24.de
origin = ns1.antagus.de
mail addr = root.ns1.antagus.de
serial = 1449586308
refresh = 10800
retry = 3600
expire = 604800
minimum = 3600
Name: gc-24.de
Address: 46.227.95.21
gc-24.de nameserver = ns1.antagus.de.
gc-24.de nameserver = ns2.antagus.de.
Authoritative answers can be found from:
P
On Thursday, August 15, 2019, 9:25:06 AM EDT, Steve O'Hara-Smith <steve@sohara.org> wrote:
On Thu, 15 Aug 2019 12:37:05 +0200
hw <hw@gc-24.de> wrote:
> Then why doesn't the documentation warn about this? I was trying to
> find out what the recommended stable version is, and that seems to be
> 12 release. Why call it release when it's still beta?
It is a release, the first release in a major version that has
been through all the normal release engineering process with particular
care applied to new features and major rewrites as you would expect from
any well run release engineering team.
Many people prefer to avoid the first release in a major version of
*anything* because new features and major rewrites often have unexpected
side effects and bugs that don't come to light until after release.
FreeBSD historically (I've been using it since 1.1.5) has been
pretty good at .0 release (kudos to the release engineering teams - and
let us draw a kindly veil over 5.0[1]) but nobody is perfect and expecting
the worst of .0 releases is sensible caution.
[1] There were good reasons this was a painful disaster.
--
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On Thu, 15 Aug 2019 14:51:17 +0200
Polytropon <freebsd@edvax.de> wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Aug 2019 12:37:05 +0200, hw wrote:
> > On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 13:21:18 +0200
> > Andrea Venturoli <ml@netfence.it> wrote:
> >
> > > On 8/13/19 11:34 PM, hw wrote:
> > >
> > > > After all this, I wouldn't be surprised if FreeBSD-NFS is incompatible
> > > > with Centos-NFS.
> > >
> > > Sorry, but you didn't say that in your first post.
> >
> > It was neither relevant, nor known in the first post. If Firefox
> > generally doesn't work with FreeBSD, that would have been an
> > explanation, and that was what I wanted to know. Seeing that so many
> > things are missing from the version FreeBSD uses is not exactly
> > encouraging.
>
> What do you consider "missing from FreeBSD's Firefox version"?
> Am I reading this correctly?
I'm referring to the list of missing things that is being displayed
when you install the package.
> Given that the FreeBSD version of Firefox version is essentially
> the Linux version of Firefox _ported_ to FreeBSD, I cannot imagine
> things are "missing" - except maybe those that heavily rely on
> Linux mechanisms that don't exist on FreeBSD, but then, the
> "Windows" version of Firefox would miss them, too.
It's still not encouraging.
> > That NFS doesn't work right was unexpected and unknown, and I was
> > assuming that NFS is compatible with NFS since anything else doesn't
> > make sense.
>
> As others have confirmed their NFS settings are working fully
> as expected, you should review your configuration. You already
> could confirm that it works among Linux systems, if I remember
> correctly. So FreeBSD is "the new part" here. It still leaves
> the possibility (!) that "Linux NFS" is broken in a way that
> it only works with Linux, and not entirely as expected with
> non-Linux systems such as FreeBSD.
That is certainly a possibility. It's not relevant, though.
> I've been running NFS setups with Linux, BSD, and Solaris, but
> that way mamy years ago. Maybe things have disimproved since ... ;-)
>
>
>
> > > Again, this might be a problem with FreeBSD, a problem in CentOS, a
> > > problem with how you configured them...
> > > We cannot tell if you don't provide info.
> > > Also, I'd be suprised if this only affected FireFox (which was the
> > > original subject), as several other programs wouldn't work then...
> >
> > Firefox was the one I tried to get to work; if others didn't work
> > either, I didn't get so far as to find it out other than a while ago
> > when it turned out that NFS in FreeBSD sucks because it's incapable of
> > exporting directories with the permissions as required.
>
> Could that be a configuration problem?
No, it is a feature. There is even a bug report about it.
> Again, it would help if you could quickly describe your setup.
There is no way to describe it quickly. Multiple servers, PXE boot
setups, VLANs and switches from different manufacturers are involved.
> [...]
> > > Everything here is FreeBSD based.
> >
> > So that is already a difference.
>
> Definitely. Interoperability can lead to the "funniest"
> explorations... :-)
That would be one of the reasons for which it would be unwise to use
FreeBSD any more than I'm using it now.
> > > > What will you do when you run into bug 220004?
> > >
> > > I don't know.
> > > I'm not using 12 yet: I see .0 releases (of any software) as potentially
> > > immature and buggy and I'm absolutely not switching until 12.1 is
> > > out.
> >
> > Then why doesn't the documentation warn about this?
>
> Because (1) nobody noticed yet, and (2) because the attitude
> to not use .0 software is nothing "standard", but a specific
> preference of certain people (who probably have good reasons
> to do so). Personally, I've never been bitten by a .0 version
> of FreeBSD. I run Firefox successfully on 12.0-p7/i386, but
> there is no NFS involved.
The bug is over 2 years old, so people have noticed.
I'm usually not keen on using software right away the day it comes out
and rather give it a while so bugs can be discovered and fixed.
FreeBSD wasn't released the day I started using it and has a
reputation.
> > I was trying to
> > find out what the recommended stable version is, and that seems to be
> > 12 release. Why call it release when it's still beta?
>
> Because it isn't beta. FreeBSD has strong guidelines in place
> that prevent immature software to be released as a -RELEASE
> version: alpha, beta, release candidate(s), release version.
> But mistakes _can_ happen, and bugs might slip through. That's
> what the patches are for. So if you plan a new installation,
> you should use the current release, which is 12.0, and after
> installation, use freebsd-update to get the available patches.
That's what I thought.
> If you wish to use an older version, that's possible too, and
> that would be 11.3, which _also_ has the status of "production
> release", so it's _not_ legacy.
I like upgrading only so much ...
> More information here:
>
> https://www.freebsd.org/releases/
>
> Or you wait until 12.1, but that's probably not a solution here.
Right, I needed the solution a couple weeks ago. At least it's
finally in testing.
And who says 12.1 would work better.
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