From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 15 10:43:30 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5667F16A4CE for ; Mon, 15 Mar 2004 10:43:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from tx1.oucs.ox.ac.uk (tx1.oucs.ox.ac.uk [129.67.1.167]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B418643D39 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 2004 10:43:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from colin.percival@wadham.ox.ac.uk) Received: from scan1.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([129.67.1.166] helo=localhost) by tx1.oucs.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1B2x3g-0002vM-IY for freebsd-current@freebsd.org; Mon, 15 Mar 2004 18:43:28 +0000 Received: from rx1.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([129.67.1.165]) by localhost (scan1.oucs.ox.ac.uk [129.67.1.166]) (amavisd-new, port 25) with ESMTP id 10742-10 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 2004 18:43:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from gateway.wadham.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.161.253]) by rx1.oucs.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 4.24) id 1B2x3g-0002vB-56 for freebsd-current@freebsd.org; Mon, 15 Mar 2004 18:43:28 +0000 Received: (qmail 24875 invoked by uid 1004); 15 Mar 2004 18:43:28 -0000 Received: from colin.percival@wadham.ox.ac.uk by gateway by uid 71 with qmail-scanner-1.20 (clamscan: 0.67. sweep: 2.18/3.79. Clear:RC:1(163.1.161.131):. Processed in 0.017474 secs); 15 Mar 2004 18:43:28 -0000 Received: from dhcp1131.wadham.ox.ac.uk (HELO piii600.wadham.ox.ac.uk) (163.1.161.131) by gateway.wadham.ox.ac.uk with SMTP; 15 Mar 2004 18:43:28 -0000 Message-Id: <6.0.1.1.1.20040315182448.03c4feb0@imap.sfu.ca> X-Sender: cperciva@imap.sfu.ca (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.1.1 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 18:43:19 +0000 To: "Poul-Henning Kamp" From: Colin Percival In-Reply-To: <89577.1079373410@critter.freebsd.dk> References: <89577.1079373410@critter.freebsd.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed cc: "Gary W. Swearingen" cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: To the Armchair Directors X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 18:43:30 -0000 At 17:56 15/03/2004, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: >Here is a simple litmus test: > > If your message contains the two words "somebody should" > next to each other in that order, then it is very likely > in the first (ie: wrong) category. While this is generally the case, I'd like to point out that FreeBSD Update exists as a direct result of complaints on the mailing lists. After seeing the same people complaining about wanting the same feature every couple months for over a year, I decided to put together a binary security update system just to get them to be quiet. (But maybe I'm harder to irritate than most committers...) >If you feel something should be done, then do it or pay somebody >to do it, don't pontificate that the nonexistant committer "somebody" >should do it. Naturally, money is a good motivator for wishlist items. FreeBSD Update has cost me both time and money; being a DPhil student, I have little of one and less of the other. (Rant: Why, when people pay $60 per year to get access to RedHat's updates, will nobody give me any money for FreeBSD Update? Over 2500 happy users, and the only time anyone has sent me anything was when I begged for the money to buy a 5.x buildbox.) Colin Percival